I asked Les if he wouldn't mind trying some different stuff, the way the old forum home page was set up, it looked like "Fixmy POSbrokenToyotaboat.com. Repetitive posts with same superfluous oil warning and gauge alarms. SO, he gave the place a new look. I like it, I guess a lot depends how you bookmark things and what browser you use. All the same information is there, it's just the intro page that's different. I'm on Firefox 3.5x and I really like it.