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Couple tidbits..
« on: July 12, 2004, 20:19:18 pm »

A neighbor of mine is hooked up with West Coast Customs. In his driveway right now is an amazing old car owned by Travis from Blink182. Out in front of said car is a crate motor intended for said car.

Here's where the story goes on-topic: the engine is an all-aluminum, twin DOHC, 32-valve, VVT, distributorless, 300 HP 4.6L Northstar engine. The thing looks dope, and the idea of matching this old time hot rod with one of the smartest engine Americans have made is so cool. The engine has two legs up on us: it's 9.5:1 compression is better suited to supercharging than our 10.5:1, and the extra displacement would be nice in some ways. As far as I know, Toyota still doesn't do an aluminum version of their 4.7L, so swapping blocks for the 4.7L would be a significant increase in the boat's empty weight.


Also....I noticed that a friend's Centurion Avalanche had a 13x11.5 ACME prop on it. He's running the 350 Magnum which has a redline of 5000 RPM and lists at 315 HP. The final drive ratio (if that's what you call it) is 1:1. Now, to make a simple calc to show how much prop that really means...RPM times gear ratio times inches of pitch divided by a mile of inches equals MPH at  redline. In actuality, there's other stuff like slip, diameter, etc., so the actual number's no good, but the comparison is. His 5K RPM through a 1:1 tranny into a 11.5" prop yields like 55 mph. This compares to my S22's 6K RPM though a 1.26:1 reduction into a 13" prop and 59 mph.

In other words, compared to the Avalanche, we're overpropped. And not by a small margin. Factor in that we probably come up a little short in terms of torque and that the Avalanche is intended from the start as a wakeboard boat....we're over propped. Period.
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Re:Couple tidbits..
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2004, 04:56:43 am »
You scare me sometimes, Derek. So, what's your next prop?
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Re:Couple tidbits..
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2004, 05:36:38 am »
I'm scared too -- I have no idea what the hell you just said.  I think we're over-propped though.

Like Pete asked, what are you gonna do about it?  I know you'll test the hell out of whatever you buy and report back.  

But, from what you said, I wonder if I have a smaller prop than the rest on my boat.  Maybe the previous owner figured that out already and replaced with a smaller prop -- he did work for TRD.  Crap, now I want to measure...

Anyway, in the post we had going a few weeks back we were talking about RPMs at WOT.  My RPM's actually get over 6000, to about 6100 (the needle keeps moving).  I'm going 43 at that speed. So either my governer was altered or my prop is different?  Also, my boat seems to do fine with weight over 2000 lbs, everybody else complains about it.  Can't measure until next time it's on the trailer, unfortunately.  

Blah, blah, blah blahhhhh......

Oh, some more blah blah: Don't know if you saw the wakeworld post looking for riders for a photo shoot in Seattle. Me and a buddy, Dave Maddock, are doing the shoot early tomorrow morning.  He'll probably get the glory-shots, though -- he's cleaner on the inverts.  I'll keep ya posted!
« Last Edit: July 13, 2004, 05:41:48 am by VillageIdiot »
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Re:Couple tidbits..
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2004, 06:07:15 am »
that's my major issue with the PP install. I can't get to WOT with stock or modified linkage (modified is worse)

The engine can rev, let it. I think that I would like to talk about actual automotive Lexus engine rev potential in an Australian river boat.

My problem is I'm not a mechanical designer. I'm not sure if I replace the shifter with an aftermarket if there will be an adjustment to increase/decrease throttle cable throw. I can't find such an adjustment on the stock shifter, which appears to be an OEM Teleflex. (top o'the line)

Once again, I need help from some ingenuitive types with experience with this motor, or cobbling things together. Equally valuable!

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Re:Couple tidbits..
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2004, 16:35:32 pm »
Don't be scared about my freewheeling mind. It can be an ugly ride sometimes, but nothing to be scared of. Unless you're female and in close proximity.

Cal, you should actually check your prop (maybe during one of those stops where you claim to be 'checking the prop'??) Your DD boats are faster, no doubt about that, but I'm a couple hundred shy of 6K and getting 43. I think you're right - you've been down-propped, or rather, right-propped. The stock selection of 13x13 is optimized too much to get high top-end. Check the markings and get back to us after you get done with the money shots ;-)

Couple weeks ago I filled 700 in the trunk, 700 in the forward walkway, and maybe 1000 in warm meat and it was a struggle to get it up. Few days later we dropped that to the bags and 600 in peeps and it'd get up fine, just a lot of bow rise. A prop won't help the bow rise, but it'll sure help the hole shot and make it easier to maintain 20-22 mph.
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Re:Couple tidbits..
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2004, 02:54:08 am »
I'd rather have the extra weight and TORQUE of the 4.7. If my 4.0 goes south in the next 20 yrs, a 4.7 will go in, with a modified computer and them killer Lexus exhaust manifolds. AND perfect pass, somehow!
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Re:Couple tidbits..
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2004, 17:10:45 pm »
Sorry Pete, I'm sure the rest of your boat will fail before the engine does. Kinda like a Dodge diesel in that respect ;-(

Lotto victory, now there's another question altogether. What would you do with your boat if you won the lotto? Sell itand get an X-Star? Or maybe pimp your Epic a little?
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