Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 04, 2025, 09:37:14 am

Author Topic: Preliminary winterizing procedure  (Read 14600 times)

toyotafreak

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 1515
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Classic and clean
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2004, 03:29:06 am »
Speaking of 200 gallons....it's taken us 149 gallons this year to run our 39.5 hours.
Derek Boyer
derek.boyer@att.net

2000 Epic S22
Powered by Lexus, Fueled by Chevron, Lubricated by Mobil 1 ... DNA by Toyota

phenom_1819

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 691
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Once an Epic owner ...always an Epic enthusiast
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2004, 05:43:24 am »
This is not as easy as y'all say it is.  I think its only easy if you've done an oil change before. I'm not in that league...as I've found out!  Anyway, I'm typing this as I'm on step 11 (draining the oil). I just wiped my hands clean, and am typing away.

Um, there is way more oil than I was prepared for.   It's been interesting.  Oh, and I took the oil filter off too early... yeah, a bit of a mess.  but I've got it under control, I think...

I'll post an updated version to Pete's instructions for the super-novices like me....

(I told you guys I'm a complete idiot when it comes to anything to do with engines...)  ;)

Just thought y'all might want a good laugh from your local villageidiot who knew better than to take this project on himself (but did it anyway)!!!

Oh, and my half-hour to 45-minutes is going on... 3 hours right now.  But that's alright...I'M LEARNING!

:)
Cal
Yakima, WA
Previous owner of 2001 Toyota Epic X22

mvermeer

  • Epic God
  • ****
  • Posts: 83
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Midwest Riders
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2004, 21:07:44 pm »
Cal

I guess I forgot to mention that I did not change the oil or filter. I usually do that in the Spring, so that is why my winterizing only took about 30 to 45 minutes.  Sorry for the misinformation.

phenom_1819

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 691
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Once an Epic owner ...always an Epic enthusiast
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2004, 22:56:15 pm »
Okay, so I'm almost done with the winterization.  I can tell you most of my mistakes were totally rookie moves and I'll never repeat them when I go to do this next year.  Some of them are so rookie I'm not even going to tell you about them!  

But... I do have a couple additions to add to Pete's list, you know, for the newbies.  For the record, I still have to do the last two steps -- changing the transmission fluid (oh boy...), and fogging the cylinders (should be easy, I think).

1) these boats hold way more oil than I ever would have imagined.  Mine held almost 2 gallons.  Draining using the Toyota-installed quick drain tube takes a long time -- roughly 2 hours of drain time (at least it did on mine).

2) When using the Toyota-installed drain tube, you have to open a valve at the base of the oil reservoir (I think it is the oil reservoir, anyway).  I used a 17mm socket wrench to loosen.  DO NOT OVER LOOSEN, or you will fill the bottom of your boat with oil.  Just open it until it trickles (have somebody beneath the boat to tell you when oil starts coming out.  I over-loosened, lots of oil in the boat.

3) This was a super-rookie mistake, but figure others new to this might make the same mistake.... wait until the oil is completely done draining before removing the oil filter.  Once again, lots of oil in the boat on this one...

------
And some questions:
1) I don't understand how the seal works on the transmission fluid opening... it's not threaded, and I can't seem to get the thing to go back on.  Any advice?

2) Pete used some sort of a syphon can to drain the fluid in the tranny.  Will the auto parts store know what I'm talking about if I call it that?

3)  I noticed that my thermostat had never been removed before, even though my boat has been winterized before.  This step was obviously skipped...when I had my boat professionally done, so I skipped it as well. Is this just a cold-weather precaution, or is it necessary?

4) The fuel filter is supposed to be changed every 100 hours.  I need to do this.  Best to do it now, or in spring?  Any advice on the procedure?  Do I need to drain the fuel line before removing it?
« Last Edit: October 26, 2004, 23:00:14 pm by VillageIdiot »
Cal
Yakima, WA
Previous owner of 2001 Toyota Epic X22

toyotafreak

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 1515
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Classic and clean
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2004, 05:56:49 am »
Your engine holds like 5.5 quarts of Mobil 1 5W-30. Always change your filter with your oil. Use a Toyota filter or the Mobil 1 M1-102 (http://www.cyclone-cj.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=257).

Get yourself a fake-a-lake (http://www.overtons.com/cgi-bin/overtons/order/large.cgi?32740) and a fluid sucker (Oil Boy - http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&classNum=170&subdeptNum=169&storeNum=6&productId=10677).

Turn on water and run engine for just a couple minutes in gear at idle to warm up engine oil and tranny fluid (also v-drive for us S22/SX dudes). Use Oil Boy for sucking engine oil through the dipstick or through the oil change tube. I think maybe you can't get the whole thing done in one shot, so once it's filled, you empty it into a gallon container that'll end up being drained at Pep Boys, Kragen, etc. Once it is unable to suck any more oil, move on to the tranny. The pump is pretty cool - pump it a few times to build a vacuum then just sit back and let it work - takes maybe five minutes to empty the engine.

I suck all the fluids while they're warm - you just suck the engine, tranny and v-drive, then go back for filter change and fluid filling. Suck the tranny through the dipstick hole. Nothing fancy. Same for the v-drive if you've got one.

I take a plastic water bottle (ya know, a little Dasani or Arrowhead bottle) and cut the thing open kinda lengthwise so that the new hole is like the size of an oval baseball (just makes it easier for the next step). Slide the bottle thing under the oil filter and slowly start unscrewing it. Oil will begin to drain into the bottle; just be patient it'll take a minute or so and you can totally do it without spilling a drop. Wet the seal of the new filter with some oil and then put that sucker on. There's markings on the box that'll say like "screw on until snug and then go another 1/2 turn". Do that. Fill the engine up with oil.

Based on what some of the newer guys are saying, I'm gonna pay more attention to the oil level; specifically gonna avoid filling higher than the full mark. As for me, I'll dump five quarts in there and then check again after running (later). My tranny takes two quarts of Mobil 1 ATF, and the v-drive takes one quart of Mobil 1 75W-90 gear oil.

Next is the fuel filter. One of the TMS docs recommended clamping both sides of the filter during the change to prevent the lines from emptying when you pull the element off. CAREFULLY remove the fuel filter, as it will be full of fuel. Fill a new filter with gas all the way to the top and CAREFULLY spin her on tight. Remove clamps.

Finally, the impeller. Get a wrench on the serpentine belt tensioner (over by the alternator) and turn slightly to relieve tension on belt. Remove belt completely and inspect thoroughly for wear and cracking. Next, perform Pete's procedure to replace impeller. Reinstall belt.

Start water. There's a procedure to prime the fuel line and I can't really recall where it's listed. The nutshell is you've got to get the air out of the fuel line and there's two ways to do it: 1) turn the key to the ON (not start) position and then back to OFF a couple times slowly, or 2) hit some button on the engine a couple times to force the fuel pumps to pump. Basically, if you can turn it over and it fires up, you're good to go.

Start engine, put in gear for just a minute or so then let idle for a few minutes while you check the fuel system for leaks, the impeller area, oilpan area for oil, etc. Secure engine and water. Let engine stand and then check engine, tranny and v-drive oil levels. Top off as required. Next time you're out on the lake, wait till the boat's really warmed up and then check levels on the water.

One note of caution: when I first got the fake-a-lake, I was not afraid to run the boat in idle in gear until one day a nasty whining sound started coming from the engine. As it turns out, the propshaft strut has a funky bearing that gets hot when it's out of the water. Now I just keep a squirt bottle handy and spray water up at it every once in a while to keep it wet. MAKE SURE NO KIDS COME AROUND WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE PROP TURNING. Or dogs, or democrats (sorry).

Cal, my transmission filler hole is threaded - the dispstick fits in there and tightens down. The v-drive dipstick just seats down, with no threads involved. Don't be afraid to check the owner's manual for direction on how to read levels. It's accurate every once in a while, but not all the time.

I'm not sure how the winterizing affects this process, as mine is aimed mainly at annual service, not winterizing. The correct time for this is at the end of your season (unless your season's year-round, and then for now, I choose Christmas break ;-).

A very important step is missing here: checking engine/propshaft alignment. Haven't done it, but will soon. If your propshaft packing has been leaking a lot and you're unable to get is to stop while it's parked, you'll need to change the packing. A GREAT time to change packing is when you're checking engine alignment. A great time for that is right before you srart the engine up the second time above. Alignment should be done once a year. Someone really on the ball might even check it halfway through, too. Alignment probs cause vibration, which is very bad for gears and engines.


Hang in there dude. My first time was like a weekend of fun, the second was maybe a couple hours altogether.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2004, 03:30:40 am by gr8dna »
Derek Boyer
derek.boyer@att.net

2000 Epic S22
Powered by Lexus, Fueled by Chevron, Lubricated by Mobil 1 ... DNA by Toyota

phenom_1819

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 691
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Once an Epic owner ...always an Epic enthusiast
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2004, 00:37:27 am »
Sweet, Derek...thanks for all the info.  I need to educate myself abou the difference between the tranny and the v/direct-drive, because i assumed that was the same thing?  Maybe the v-drives need extra fluid since v-drives basically have two transmissions, as I understand it?  Derek -- since I don't have a v-drive, I don't need to do that step you mentioned above, right?

Also...about the tranny fluid.  I hope I didn't screw anything up -- but if you look at Pate's .pdf of the winterization, on the change the tranny fluid page, he drew a circle to remove a round 3" disk from the driver side of the tranny, which I did.  When I removed it, you could hear the fluid start settling and bubbling.  Now, my tranny is just sitting with that disk removed...until I get the fluid and figure out how to get the damn thing back on.

Anybody have advice on that second issue?   Please?  I'm actually not as stressed as my messages imply, but I'd like to get this over with and feel confident that I did it correctly.  And if not, I need to prepare myself to panic.  ;)
Cal
Yakima, WA
Previous owner of 2001 Toyota Epic X22

toyotafreak

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 1515
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Classic and clean
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2004, 03:52:46 am »
Cal, what kind of karma says that you take on this project the same day that the site goes down? Hate to see an epicmariner in distress, ya know? Especially the villageidiot.

The tranny is mounted where a normal bell housing and clutch would be. It's got a shift cable running into it. It controls forward, reverse and idle. The v-drive unit is downstream from there and does a gear reduction and changes the shaft direction.

I'll look at Pete's pics again for the tranny plug you're talking about and then look through my pics.
Derek Boyer
derek.boyer@att.net

2000 Epic S22
Powered by Lexus, Fueled by Chevron, Lubricated by Mobil 1 ... DNA by Toyota

toyotafreak

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 1515
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Classic and clean
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2004, 04:10:36 am »
Here's the tranny and v-drive:
Derek Boyer
derek.boyer@att.net

2000 Epic S22
Powered by Lexus, Fueled by Chevron, Lubricated by Mobil 1 ... DNA by Toyota

re-pete

  • Epic God
  • ****
  • Posts: 127
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • 1999 Epic 22, Charcoal
    • View Profile
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2004, 02:40:21 am »
Derek-  Cool picture.  I always wondered what the v-drive setup looks like.

Cal-  In our direct drive Epic 22, the tranny dipstick is different than what Dereks looks like(looks like a completely different trans as well).  If you notice in his picture, the dipstick is one-piece polymer.  The one on our's is a grooved polymer/rubber plug, with a threaded t-stud in the center.  As you turn the t-stud clockwise, while holding the plug, the stud expands the plug(kind of like a molly bolt you use in drywall), and it holds the dipstick tightly in place.  So once you have the plug out, you would want to loosen the t-stud so the plug contracts, install the plug, hold in place with one hand, as you turn in the 't-stud' with the other hand.   Don't over tighten or the whole thing could pop out of the tranny.  Hope this helped.  Good luck.
Pete A.

phenom_1819

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 691
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Once an Epic owner ...always an Epic enthusiast
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2004, 18:04:56 pm »
Wow, I'm amazed at how much different the v-drive and tranny looks compared to my direct drive.  Re-Pete, thanks for the info. That makes sense...now I've just got to find the time to put the thing back together.  Leaving for Seattle tonight.  I probably won't get to it until Monday though.

Yeah, this site is acting really strange. I can still access it from my work account, but cannot access it from home.  It could be something with my computer -- but then again, the number of site visitors has been WAY down lately, so my guess is others are having the same problem.

At home, the page keeps trying to refresh and nothing happens...just keeps saying a page is missing (or something like that), with a lot of html talk across the top of the screen...

I sent an email to Pete #1.
Cal
Yakima, WA
Previous owner of 2001 Toyota Epic X22

cyclone

  • Administrator
  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 2577
  • Karma: +4/-0
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2004, 18:28:17 pm »
Everythings kewl. I fixed the dang forum again. BASTARDS
Pete

'01 Epic SX

jhepworth

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I'm a llama!
    • View Profile
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2004, 19:36:44 pm »
We were told by the local Dealership that if we don't have them winterize the boat, the warenty will be void.  It may be their effort to get the money but what do you think?

Kari

phenom_1819

  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 691
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Once an Epic owner ...always an Epic enthusiast
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2004, 20:02:08 pm »
Hey Kari,

That doesn't sound right to me, but I don't know for sure.  I know the previous owner of my boat serviced it himself -- he never had any problems with getting parts warrantied (and neither did I, even though warranties weren't supposed to be transferrable). Toyota Marine has been good to us, and so have many of the former dealerships (though not all).

Most of our warranties have expired, anyway...when did you buy your boat?  Where do you get it serviced?
Cal
Yakima, WA
Previous owner of 2001 Toyota Epic X22

cyclone

  • Administrator
  • Toyota should pay me
  • *****
  • Posts: 2577
  • Karma: +4/-0
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2004, 20:08:07 pm »
That's not true, you have to show evidence that you winterized the boat, receipts for whomever did it, or for the parts, etc. I take digital pictures of everything.

I'm gonna finish my winterizing of my boat this weekend, though I may go out again. I leave the block dry and will put the whole thing back together and drop it in the water if we get a warm couple of days.
Pete

'01 Epic SX

jhepworth

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I'm a llama!
    • View Profile
Re:Preliminary winterizing procedure
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2004, 21:23:37 pm »
Thanks, I had not thought of that.  It is the same with cars.