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Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« on: May 24, 2006, 22:48:05 pm »
So, every year we have quite a few posts about rough running, coughing, spluttering boats. Inevitably, the answer comes back to "change the plugs and check the fuel pump." Well, I have a bizarre, but alternate solution for people as mechanically incompetent as I am. This just ruined my day, and it could conceivably happen (although I doubt it) to someone else, so I'm a passin' it along. Yes, it is a serious post from Bitzco. Don't get used to it.

Last week, we were on the lake draggin' a kid around on the board. All of a sudden, my baby started coughin' and splutterin'. One of my wives took care of the baby, but coincidentally, the boat was coughin' and splutterin' too. She lost power but kept running. Cough, cough, splutter, splutter. I reset the electrical with the battery switch, but that made no difference. Then, I remembered that like an idiot, I had gotten gas at Sam's Club. I though, "great, bad gas, fouled plugs, stupid!" I headed back to shore with declining performance all the way. By the time I got back to the marina, the wives were all embarrassed by the onlookers watchin' us splutterin,' and the boat would only go 10 mph. The rpms were flutterin' between 3 and 4K and there was a rich gas smell waftin' through the air. The dog and my 10 year old son were sittin' in the back near the exhaust and started actin' kinda funny.

Anyway, I decided that work demands prohibited my changin the plugs, so I dragged my Toy in to Jimmy (the service dude) at Marine Products. When I described the symptoms, he said, "sounds like you need plugs or the fuel pump is bad. Nothing else ever goes wrong with these Toyotas." I left my baby with him, but then remembered she was in the boat and went back to MP to pick her up. Man were my wives mad.

It took a few days of 90 degree sunny weather (torture for me without the Toy) for Jimmy to get to the boat, but he fixed her and I got her back yesterday. You will never guess what the problem was. It wasn't plugs, it wasn't bad gas, it wasn't even a bad fuel pump. One of the ignition wires had come off the ignition switch. It was still in the general area where it belonged and was jiggling around with the vibration of the boat. It was making and losing contact with the switch constantly. Essentially, my boat was turning on and off every milisecond or so. This apparently will cause even a sophisticated Lexus motor to run rough. What were those Toyota engineers thinking when they didn't plan for this problem. There should have been quadruple redundancy to avoid it. In the end, Jimmy (he's the man!) took two seconds to crimp the contact on the wire tighter and reattached it to the ignition. Vroom, Vroom, she purrs like a kitten when I turn her key, and the boat runs perfectly too.

Ain't it bizarre that the boat was running at all. It smelled rich cuz the gas wasn't getting burned and running rough cuz there was only spark on some random basis. It is also bizarre that none of the gauges or PP or anything was freaking out. There was no sign other than the motor freaking out that power was going on and off. Hopefully, this didn't hurt my Toy in some unknown way, but it is currently running just like it always has.

So, if yer boat starts a runnin' rough, check the ignition switch. It might be just that easy. This is the second Toyota I have had which had connection issues at the ignition switch. On My first SX, a wire jiggled loose back there, but it came all the way out of there, so the boat just shut off completely. I was able to track that problem and fix it because it was obvious there was no electical. Watch your switch man! You may not have to embarrass the wives with a rough runnin' boat. You may also not have to take it in to your local Jimmy and pay big service fees while they fix, break and/or replace things that don't need to be fixed, broken and/or replaced.

Also, I've gotta say that, even though you have to pay for his help, Jimmy rules. He knows these Toyotas.
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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2006, 02:21:36 am »
Oh the Joys of Owning a Boat... While on my lunch break I decided to get one of my co-workers and hook up the boat which I had pulled to work and launch her at the local marina.  Well,  she started fine.  The whole reason I was stupid enough to launch on my 1.5 hr lunch break was I HAD TO FIND A LEAK-  Found it within 5 mins.  While talking up the EPIC to my co-worker BAM - the epic just died.  Humm, I thought and kinda messed around and turned her over and started right up.  HAMMER DOWN-  Running awesome around the lake.  As we make our way back to the boat ramp- She dies again but this time won't turn over (about 5,600 RPMs to a dead stop).   Blower still worker but not so much as a click from the engine.  The lake is like a Sierra Desert- NOBODY.  So, I wave over the first boat I see which happens to be a Mastercraft.   :(  We trouble shot the problem back to a loose wire ignition wire.  Awesome- I was thinking when I tried to turn her over - She wouldn't start.  Take her out of gear and try adding some gas while starting VOOM she started RPMs high around 2,000 but then start to back her off and she dies.  Only way she will start is with the gas around 2,000 rpms and ended up having to be towed back to the ramp anyway.  I left her running as much as I could thinking the problem would correct itself.  I was able to get her down the around 500 rpms but thats as low as she would go without coughing to a stop.   Of course, I didn't plan on getting in the water but as it is pretty difficult to load a boat on a trailer with no power -  It turned out to be a bad after noon.  Not to mention embrassing to my friend and one awesome Mastercraft owner.    Anyone got any info that could help my BABY get to running like the bad Mo'Fo I know she is.
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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2006, 05:04:18 am »
Changed out the plugs with the Denso(s)  from the Toyota Dealer-  Got one awesome deal... I hear you guys talking about paying up to 12.50 each well I walked out of the dealer only paying 2.22 each - total for the day 20 bucks.  Long Story Short-  Still not running right at all --- PLEASE HELP ME---

Here is the issue.  After changing the plugs she started right up. (out of the water with the hose hookup thing)...  Ran fine for a while before starting to foul up again.  Rough ideling returned.  I just don't get it at all... She starts fine and then runs horrible.  So I cut her off, tried to start again and she won't start... What is the deal-  I have bought a case of beer and enlisted a good friend to help trouble shoot the problem but any help would be awesome.    I forgot to mention that when we pop her in gear it sounds horrible.   Like it is trying to catch the gear.  So we checked the trans fuild level and twisted the cap there was a VACCUM on the cap (is that normal).  The fuild level seemed fine (cold)...    When we get the RMP up to about 2000 everything comes into play perfectly but can't idel to save my life.    I just don't understand how one day she runs fine and the next day after a fuse slipped out of the ignition she is all "F"-ed  up...     

Might not make it to the roundup with a broken boat... haha
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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2006, 19:12:57 pm »
all the more reason to bring it to the roundup . Bring your toolbox  ;)
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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2006, 04:58:19 am »
3 things- to check
1. Fuel pump working....
2. Does the engine check light go on .
3. Does the engine at idle go to over 1000 rpm.

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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2006, 02:05:28 am »
couple ideas for you

You say you got the plugs at Toyota cheap, what was the part #? Did you just ask for plugs for a V8? the tundra and sequoia plugs are not the same as our epics. there not even platinum, they are just standard plugs.

clean the mass air flow sensor with brake clean. The sensor is in the intake tubing. If the sensor is dirty the computer will think there is less air than there is.
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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2006, 03:11:57 am »
YEs, verify the plugs are the correct ones. 2.22 sounds way too cheap for the correct plugs.

9091901210   SparkPlug,VT300i,Each           $15.50    $15.00

I gor mine for 7.50 at a Toyota specialty shop and they looked it up from the above number and description
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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2006, 05:24:12 am »
Did a compression test and one of the cyclinders is way off- So I am thinking that is the problem.  As far as the plug goes they are the right ones-  Match the part numbers to the ones off this website and they are the correct Densos.  I got a lil' hookup at the toyota dealership.  The parts guy gives me one hell of a military discount - so 2.22 is correct.   
However, doesn't fix the engine. - To top it all off I might be getting deployed again so may be needing to get rid of the boat in a hurry while its still summer.  Don't imagine Boat sell in the winter too well. 
If Uncle Sam allows me to make it to the Roundup I'll show up but I don't want all of you grown men Crying over my Epic and how the previous owner treated her. 
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Re: Running Rough? or "Turn Your Key and Cough."
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2006, 13:20:52 pm »
When you run the boat disconnect the hose PCV going to air filter. If you have a bad cylinder there will be alot of bypass smoke gas. Publish the compression and what cylinder was low.