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Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« on: February 20, 2005, 19:16:58 pm »
just tested out perfect pass this morning at Folsom lake for the first time.  what a dream, best purchase yet!  Another great thing is that on the pp display, my volts were at 14 volts in gear and at 24mph, they only dropped to 13.5 volts.  At high rpm's, i never saw them drop under 13 volts.  i am really thinking about removing the digital display and keeping the original speedo and put the pp display in where the digital one was.  If I am correct, everything that is important is in the pp display and or on the regular gauges, right?

IF YOU HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATING SPENDING THE MONEY ON PP, I HIGHLY RECOMEND GETTING IT, YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED!

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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2005, 01:46:26 am »
Hey Shawn,
Glad to hear that you got PP in and it was a success. I had no doubt that you would like it, and that it would  be a pretty easy install. Did you do it yourself?

The only thing that you lose if you ditch the MMC thing is the depth finder. I'm pretty sure that you could get a standalone depth display for the Loral sender that we have. I'd nose around the Malibu site for info about that.
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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2005, 03:04:09 am »
i did do the install myself, it was pretty darn easy.  my depth finder has never worked anyways so that is no problem, but if i remember correctly, pete, you lost some top end speed with PP, I didn't loose any MPH at WOT.

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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2005, 15:00:24 pm »
Man, I am still trying to convince the wife I need perfect pass.  I got the hookup and all, I can buy it and have it installed professionally for $1150.  I WANT PP for my 00' X22.  BTW, you go Digital Wakeboard Pro right?
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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2005, 16:54:41 pm »
I did, the install is identical either way.

Shawn, what I noticed was a loss of throttle motion. WOT with the bracket installed was about 66% of throttle. With stock linkeage, it got to about 95%. That extra 30% of motion didnt make a huge difference for me, I lost 1.6 mph or something, max speed is now 36.8 or thereabouts. Fast enough for me, I'm not barefooting any time soon.

 
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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2005, 08:33:18 am »
Shawn, go four-bag it and tell us how it handles the extra weight and what settings you used, etc.

Congrats, and THANKS to Pete and the guys at Perfect Pass!
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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2005, 10:41:40 am »
hi all

i have been intrested in the perfect pass for a while now
could you please tell me how much $ they are worth thanks

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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2005, 14:50:47 pm »
Hey Jordy,
I think they want 1100US for the fancy version with both speed and rpm based pull, and 675US for the Cruise version with just RPM based pull. If you are barefooting or skiing, you probably want the simpler RPM based control. The speed based control off of a paddle wheel speedo is no good over 30mph, they say. RPM based control is supposedly what everyone prefers for high speed stuff.

The Toyota specific version has a bracket for our specific throttle cable, and reprogrammed firmware to process a 2ppr tach input . I'm not sure what kind of tach signal you get from your 1uz, but you surely don't use the same throttle cable.

Another very viable option would be to obtain an Accuski system. They were OEM on Toyotas. They are RPM based and work well for skiing and barefooting, etc. They are no good for wakeboarding and cannot use the paddle wheel speedo that we need for low speed control. For those reasons, you could probably find a used Accuski system on here that someone pulled out to put in PP. You would want to make sure that someone pulled off all necessary parts, of course. They are actually very cool, they have an automatic pull up feature, etc. It may be necessary to switch to the Kayser Medallion gauges to implement the multigauge that is the Accuski user interface. Malibus (in the states anyway!) use the KM gauge package, lots of other boats do too.

A man with your talents could probably adapt an aftermarket automotive cruise control fairly easily. For what you probably need, it has all the elements.  You need an actuator, either a rotary or lever type stepper motor, a tach (pickup w/magnet attached to drive shaft), and a way to disengage when braking or slowing. PP somehow senses when the rotary solenoid feels slack in the cable. Accuski uses a footswitch (high beam switch!) for that purpose, I believe.

We kicked that idea around for a while here, but since a lot of us are wakeboarders that need (low) speed based control off a very precise paddle wheel speedo, it meant we would have to design an interface with calibration capabilities for the paddle wheel speedo. And, somehow adapt it to the control strategy of an existing rpm based speed control. And figure out a way to make the system more aggressive when we add 2k of water weight to make the wake big. Too much modification needed. So, I designed a small bracket to attach the PP cable, and the system works great for wakeboarding.

Here are links to both manufacturer sites, there is a lot of info on both. PP even has a downloadable simulator that you can run.

www.accuski.com
www.perfectpass.com



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Re: Perfect Pass = 14 volts
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2005, 14:02:18 pm »
thankyou very much for that info pete
i have been thinking of doing an aftermarket set up but i havent looked into
it yet
just another ?? do you no much about the GPS speedos have you seen one work.
i have got 2 airguides they work off water presure and they are allways
altering speed readout from time to time do you know of many other options
thanks