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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2004, 22:02:04 pm »
Cal, no offense intended. But if blinside were to pay $47K, wouldn't it raise the value of our boats by 100 bucks?  (I'm grinning)

The Travis Moye story is amazing! I don't know how we could split a towboat (unless we used Patron tequila for ballast).

Here's a cut and paste from a post I made a couple months ago (not sure if Travis or Darin was 'the rider' I mentioned) "read some wakeworld archives written by the prior Toyota rider, and must admit his comments pretty much bummed me out. They were buried in a thread where a guy was forced to sell his S22 and couldn't imagine that he'd be able to find a replacement boat with as good a wake. The pro chimed in and said basically that he'd owned many Toys and that they're just not capable of pro-level wakes. The other dude ended up with a couple year old X-Star and was amazed at how much power the thing had and that the wake was insane. I agree that I don't and won't need a pro wake, but it kinda bummed me anyway."

As amazing as our boats are, I hate to cede anything to SAN, MC or BU.
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2004, 01:05:41 am »
I must say that each year that I go to the boat show, I think about getting a new boat. I always arrive at the same conclusion. I can't buy a better boat, period. For what I do anyway, which is hang out with my family and friends all weekend at the lake wakeboarding and camping. Fuel consumption is a big one, even with premium I can spend all day on the lake running back and forth pulling riders for 20$. It would be around 50$ in another ski boat. The DD's are better on gas and are snappier out of the hole than the V drive Epics. As far as the wake size goes, the Epic SX was one of four boats in 2000 that had a pro-level wake, according to Waterski mag. CC didn't participate, they would have been up there. I don't know how objective they were, there were always large Toyota ads in the mag!

The other thing is reliability. There is not a more reliable boat that you will find. You can put 1500 hours on the motor no problem, possibly quite a bit more. Normal pushrod cast iron v8's are toast after 500 hours, maybe 1k if maintained meticulously.

The maintenance interval is 4 times longer than a Detroit V8 powered boat. 200 hrs per oil change vs 50 hrs. That is a lot of money and time that your boat is out of service or in the shop vs. an Epic. The transmission is made by Hurth, same company that makes the ZF transmissions in high end cars like Vettes and Ferraris. You cannot break the transmission in an Epic even if you try. Don't ask me how I know;)

I don't think it is the hull that is the limitation, it is the fact that Epics don't have gobs of torque and can't pull as much weight. They are one of the best handling fully weighted boats, according to Travis M. Any boat with a hull 21 ft long and a relatively flat transom and enough weight will make a big enough wake for all but the most talented riders. I can go as high and far as I'll ever want to go with my wake. See the DVD Death Cookies for guys getting massive air behind an Epic. I get comments all the time about how big my wake is compared to other boats. I am running more weight than the average Joe.

That having been said, Danny Harf told me that he put three sacks in the TRUNK of his X22, two beside the engine and one in the the walk thru!

The X22 is more comfortable and has more storage than anything else made at the time. It raised the bar. Compare the Epic to 2000 model boats, the Toyota was about 3yrs ahead of it's competitors. Interior, drivetrain, construction, etc. The first stiff, non-rattling, nice looking folding tower, immediately copied by MC (zeroflex)

It will be a collectors item, no doubt.

As for Epic comments on Wakeworld, they all start with "I've heard that.." or "This guy told me..." I used to call people on it, but I just quit going on that board. Too many knuckleheads. Here are the three recurring post titles:

My New SAN

My New Xstar, usually comes with comments like "which board has graphics that look best in my cool racks?"

My Stereo

As for whether or not you should buy an Epic, all I can say is that I am never sorry when I buy the absolute best. That is why I didn't buy a Nautique or MC or Supra or Malibu.

Plus, Malibus look like they were designed by a gay professional wrestler.

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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2004, 02:41:20 am »
Pete, you are so the man it's not even funny...gay wrestler....


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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2004, 15:34:13 pm »
Pete, totally agree when you said "For what I do anyway, which is hang out with my family and friends all weekend at the lake wakeboarding and camping. Fuel consumption is a big one, even with premium I can spend all day on the lake running back and forth pulling riders for 20$."

That is exactly like us.  I also spoke with a local epic x22 owner last night that had bought his boat new in 99 and he couldn't stop bragging about it.  I'm also glad to hear abou the tranny being industructable as I hear of so many new tige's or MC's that are in the shop due to tranny or transfer case failure.
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2004, 16:55:54 pm »
Here's the post I was talking about:

By travis moye (driving) on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 7:31 am:            
 
the x-2 definitely has a better wake. trust me. i had 4 or 5 toyotas. and, am on my second x-2.
just use that lead you have in the bow. i don't know what the 99 had for stock ballast, i think it just has ballast in the back. but, put a 400 sack in the locker. and, just a side sack, 250, on each side of the factory ballast. if you have tons of people in the boat, you can get away without even putting those.
enjoy!
 
By Shane Applegate (happ) on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:01 am:            
 
I put 500# of lead in the bow, filled a sack as full as I could in the locker and TWO 550s in the back. The wake was nice and seems to have more vert than my YOTA ever did.(I had to ride 5ft further back, the wake is not nearly as wide.) We added ONE 550 in the walkway of the bow and the wake just got bigger. I cant beleive I got this boat for $21000.00. It has so much more low end power. Thank You
For all your help
 
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All that being said, I'm in the same boat Pete. You know I'll have my boat forever, and will love it. Even without bling it still gleams. Just trying to make sure people know what they're getting into (good and bad.)

By the way, Chevron regular here is $2.26. Wow. I guess I'll find out what Chevron super goes for tomorrow afternoon. Might start keeping track of gas mileage too. I do know that there are many times that I burn more gas pulling the boat than driving it.

I'm grooming my boy for a Chevron sponsorship. Kidding, but wouldn't that be cool!
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2004, 18:44:47 pm »
Pete- props on the gay wrestler comment. That is too funny...  

The gay wrestler you just described IS my buddy with the Malibu Wakesetter.  He's a 6'7", 310 pound ex-lineman turned bodybuilder... and openly gay.  

Once again, Pete... you nailed it.  And in case you were curious of why a 310 pound person owns a wakeboard boat, we still don't know. We've never been able to get him out of the water.  But he makes one hell of a fat sack!
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2004, 02:52:09 am »
Needless to say,, We bought it.  It was even nicer than we expected and are very very pleased with our purchase.  I will post up some pictures next week when we get the boat home after the paper work is complete.  You guys will be in awh :)
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2004, 04:03:41 am »
Blindside- congratulations!  I'm sure you will be happy. I took my x22 out today with two side sacks and the rear ballast full (1600 pounds total and 3 people).  Was getting as much air as I have behind anything else...it is possible to get a big wake, you just have to sacrifice a little floor space.

Congrats again. Can't wait to see the pics.
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2004, 04:28:44 am »
Second the congrats!!! Get them pics up!!!


Pete says gay wrestler like it's a bad thing --->  8)


« Last Edit: March 07, 2004, 07:21:47 am by gr8dna »
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2004, 17:14:30 pm »
Have I mentioned that I love my Toyota SX? Yesterday I was able to get a slight sunburn while wakeboarding in only a shorty, and my feet never began to throb like they have been from the water temp....I saw three XStars and four Supras. How cute to match everyone else.... :P

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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2004, 02:22:55 am »
dido, dido, Congrats blindside on many great days ahead.

 All this talk is killing me!!!  

I looked at the lakes today and they are farther along than most seasons but still, depending on weather, could be 2 to 5 weeks away before ice out.

This sight is great but It has got me so excited to get out on the water, it's all I can think about.  Snow skiing is done, I have no outlet, but looking at a big blue tarpped mound in the driveway that has an epic somewhere under there.

I did  the mistake of going to a ski/board shop and $400 later, I walked alway with a new dry suit, cold water gloves and booties. I will be first out this season.

Quick question?  What is the difference between a Epic 22, with factory tower and acuski, and a X-22. Is it just the ballast system or are there any other options or design changes?
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2004, 01:09:48 am »
It's the exact same boat with slightly different upholstery, white trim and rub rail on some. The ballast system is one or two Jabsco water puppy pumps, usually one located near the shaft thru hull.  On many boats, it is dead and covered with grime, usually with clipped wires. On the howto page there are docs outlining the factory fix, relocating the pump, etc. Pics and all. The sack was a locker type sack with a tarp cover over the top. It was in the trunk.

The hulls later than a certain date (look in the docs) for all 22 ft Epic Ddrives all had plates in the forward tower mounting locations, and were frequently retrofitted with towers. At least 100% of the time in my firsthand experience.

Either boat is cool, you can put a tower on any Epic. They were factory accessories on all boats.
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Re:buying an 2000 X22, need opinions
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2004, 15:30:09 pm »
Man, all this tension of getting the paper work finished so I can take the boat home is killin me  :P  can't wait,can't wait,can't wait,can't wait,can't wait,can't wait,can't wait,can't wait,can't wait,ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2004, 16:55:45 pm »
What did the wise man say about the two happiest days for a boat owner?
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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2004, 18:53:48 pm »
Was it the day he brought it home and the day he paid it off?
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