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Question for Epic owners....
« on: September 18, 2003, 05:17:09 am »
Hello everyone, I have been intrested in a ski boat for a while now and have been eyeing down the Toyota Epics. My questions is how are the actual boats? I just started finding articles of problems with these boats, such as: saltwater eating the blocks, ballast falure, and other problems. Being a current owner of a Tacoma and my dad has a Land Cruiser, I am very interested in these boats. I just don't want problems with getting parts and what not. How does Toyota stand with that? I am familer with the other type boats: Mastercraft, Malibu, Natiques, Tige, Supra, etc. I want to learn more because I am a Toyota fan and would like to get one of these boats.

Any help would be appreciated---thanks!!

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2003, 11:22:41 am »
I can't speak for salt water problems or ballast,but I love my Epic 22.The only problems I've had(which I can count on 1 hand)were self induced.
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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2003, 12:54:46 pm »
No problems with mine.  I have a vdrive.  Nice for boarding.  Not the best for serious slalom..  All the parts are the same as the other boat makers except the engine which is a stock Lexus.  Parts shouldn't be a problem.

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2003, 16:18:04 pm »
Thanks for the help.....I feel allot better after hearing it from ya'll. I have always had a Toyota and I would fell allot better with one of these boats. Thanks again for the help.

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2003, 16:25:05 pm »
If you don't want parts problems, and you intend to keep your boat for more than a half dozen years....don't buy an Epic. There will be problems finding replacements and service down the road, we just don't know how big the problem's gonna be.

It's a great boat, with a good design and good construction, but wakeboard boats have evolved a lot in three years. Of course, you can't touch many of the current boats for under $50K. On the other hand, a mainstream boat would be much easier to sell when the time comes.

Normally, anything with a Toyota logo on it is going to have great resale value, but these boats are getting hammered by the perception that in a few years they're going to be orphaned. It will get worse.

The engine is a work of art, but most of us wish it had a little bigger displacement (it's smaller than the Mercruiser V-6, although we've got almost a hundred more ponies.) Great efficiency in terms of fuel/power/weight.

If you're gonna tow your boat, you'll need to upgrade your truck too. We tow with a Sequoia (with cold-air intake and cat-back exhaust) and I wish we had more power in it. As it is, I've got to install air bags because of the mondo tongue weight and factor in 9.5 to 10 MPG on the way to the lake (expensive in SoCal). Your dad's Cruiser should be in about the same boat. Besides the weight, the boats trailer just awesome.

There is an outside chance that the collector value of the Toyotas will offset the service issue in terms of resale. But don't count on it. Fiscally, I think there are better alternatives out there if you're not intending to keep the boat for fifteen or twenty years.

I'd do it again, but I'm a Toyota freak.

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2003, 22:44:06 pm »
Thanks again for the help. Depending on how the part situation goes will decide if I would get one of these or not. Honestly my family are huge Toyota fans. Thats why I was so excited when I started readin about them. Then came the other things I read but I love Toyota products and have never driven anything else. The idea of a Toyota boat is great. I guess I will see how they do over time. Thanks again for the help.

P.S. Here is a pic of my truck. I 'm guessing everyone drives Toyotas as well.

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2003, 02:13:28 am »

Good luck with your decision. Don't hesitate to ask any of us questions, on- or off-line. We've got different opinions on stuff, but that's what makes it a good forum ;-)

Nice ride. I bought the last model year of the Hilux (the year the Tacoma came out.) Bought it new while we were in Guam. That was late '94, and the truck's been great. The wife's Sequoia, though, that thing's a beast. Owned an Exploder, driven Expeditions on extended drives, and this is just baaaad. Only problem is I only get to drive it on the weekends...

I'd like to think of a Tundra, but sheaht, there's only so much money in this world, huh?
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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2003, 04:48:55 am »
Thanks again for the help. I am really glad I found this forum. I like Helixs but have never seen one. I know what you mean about the Seqiua, my dad's Land Cruiser is a beast. I am 19 and my 1st car was a stadard cab long bed 4x4 T100 with the 3.0L, this truck was great but slow and big. I hope that my next truck will be a Tundra, but like you said can't have everything. thanks again

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2003, 03:50:53 am »
How much were these boats new?

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2003, 22:23:11 pm »
I couldn't post on the other one but anyway what is the difference between the SX AND X models? thanks

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Re:Question for Epic owners....
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2003, 23:13:39 pm »
I have one of each. They have the same engine, but the X-22 is a direct drive with the engine in the middle of the boat. This makes it drive like a sports car. Turns on a dime, planes easily, acceleration is amazing. It also makes the wake very adjustable. Toyota marketed them as "two sport" boats because they are very good for both skiing and wakeboarding. Without the bladder full the wake is small and smooth for skiing and with weight added the wake gets pretty big for boarding. The guy who bought this boat new paid $42,000 for it. I saw his invoice, but I'm not sure whether that was before or after some of the options. He added some options later. He was a semipro wakeboarder and trashed his knee and had to sell.

The SX-22 is a V-drive which means the engine is in the back of the cockpit. This boat is better for wakeboarding with a bigger wake even with the bladders empty. It also seats 10 instead of 9. The hull is a little deeper so it does not maneuver as well as the X-22. Accelleration and top speed are also not as high. It is a bit smoother ride in rough water. We got this boat because my kids are really into wakeboarding (They rarely ski) and because my wife wanted to be able to take another person with us when we hit the lake. I have the original invoice on this boat. It was $45,000 but was sold to a supplier for the boat dealer. He got a deal considering all the options that came on this boat.
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