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Ipod interface
« on: December 14, 2007, 01:32:13 am »
This winter, I'm upgrading more stereo system stuff. One thing that I have not been happy with is the supposed "high speed" Ipod interface that the new Ipod head units have. I couldn't search through my playlists easily and I ended up unplugging the Ipod and selecting the song. SO, I've decided to try the Harman Kardon Drive + Play. It is an interface with a thumbwheel type contraption with a small black and white display, both of which mount separately so that you can place them conveniently. I first looked at this thing about 2 yrs ago, they were around 200$. For some reason, they are blowing them out on discount outlets on line, I found one for 25$ shipped, new in box. I bought two of them:) one for the truck.

http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/portable-device-accessories/m/18919759/search=harman%20kardon%20drive%20play/skd=1

This particular one does NOT have the wired FM modulator that injects the signal into the head unit via the antenna jack. Both types have a line out so that you can plug directly into an aux in if your head unit has one.

There is a new drive + play coming out soon, so I think they are getting rid of all the old style ones. One thing that I noticed that might be an issue is that it uses a third party Ipod connector. These connectors have proven problematic. If I have noise or other issues, I will splice in the apple style connector from a cable with the correct Dynex connector. The bad connector is black and has corners, the good one is white and rounded, like on the cable that comes with your Ipod, it was made by Dynex.

Anyway, when it stops raining:) I will put this thing in the boat and test it out. Pics to come. 
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 02:08:22 am »
I got one too, it's sitting on the desk now.  I think I paid the same price and that included free shipping!  For $25.00, it's worth a shot

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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 18:34:45 pm »
Have you guys installed these things yet?

I am looking to buy one and the price on these is ideal but I want to be sure they work.
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 21:33:40 pm »
Hector,
I've got mine running on my workbench right now, works fine and sounds good:) I've already figured where I'm gonna install it, just waiting for a warm day.

 
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 20:09:47 pm »
I mounted my knob and display unit. I drilled no holes. Second pic is up under the dash. On the SX, things are very tidy compared to the underdash of my Epic22. They painted the fiberglass black on the SX, and added a piece of split loom tubing around the hole where the gauges go. Note the location of the Perfect Pass box. It is up in the recess under the steering column. it's a good spot to mount it.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 20:18:13 pm by cyclone »
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 22:19:41 pm »
Looks good Pete,

I'll be ordering one tonight. Thanks for the pics.
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 01:37:48 am »
that looks very nice. Pete, where do you put your Ipod?
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 17:28:31 pm »
Not sure yet. I think I will mount the control box on a piece of cutting board, I'll probably make a very simple slip in Ipod mount on the board, which I will mount up on the inside of the hull on the starboard side. One thing I'm considering changing is that the button as mounted is turned 90 deg CCW. I may cut and reattach the base to put the buttons in the correct orientation.
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2008, 02:27:03 am »
Pete, you know I follow your stereo/battery/wiring/ipod advice religiously.  Tell me, honestly... what is the best option out there right now for ipod integration?  And how close is this unit to the best?  What are the compromises?  And finally, after you've played with it a bit, would you buy it again or would you pick something else?

Thanks
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2008, 11:55:42 am »
Cal, you ought not place more value on my opinion than your own. I'm flattered, but take my opinions with a grain of salt. I generally get to a point where I've tried three or four options and listened to a lot of other people, and have spent 4x more money than I should have thinking I'm smarter than Apple or even Lambing Kenwood:) Kraco ;D Sparkomatic  :o I'd rather think of it that you'd rather learn from my humbling experiences screwing things up three times expensively and still not being completely happy with a system. I know you want to do it clean on the new rig, so i'll do a data dump on how I would set things up. Subs are easy, tower speakers, etc. Batteries, minimum 2, isolator/relay. The user interface of the Ipod/discs/satellite and the VoLUme control is where you suck or not.  There's some new stuff out there......T You asked so tunerread it and hear me now and believe me later.

he HK thing is 25$, dirt cheap. You can mount it without drilling holes. The control knob and display are separate and have flexible, high quality mounting hardware. Unbelievable bang for the buck. GIT YOU SUM BOAH!!!! Three or five. On the new rig, if you are starting from scratch, I'd definitely look at the NEW HK version of the Drive+Play. It has a color display and does video. I'm going to put 2 7" screens in my SX, there's a perfect spot on each side on the 22' Vdrives. Its a pretty cheap super high quality interface, you really don't need anything more than your Ipod and some amps. Meaning, you don't need a receiver/tuner/cd player. If you are really good to go with your Ipod, well there you go. The thing has a pass thru aux input so you could stick a satellite radio or other MP3 player in there. Hell, if you don't need a head unit put ballast switches in there. Or a slot machine:0 pimp.  The Drive and play 1 is  pretty cool considering how much engineering was put into the display and button, for TWENTY FIVE DOLLAR BUY THREE RIGHT NOW!! model that I bought.  Drop the 25$(shipped)  and put one in your truck at least.

I like the idea that the HK unit emulates very well  the user interface of a real Ipod. The ring and the four buttons, and simple white with black letter display with pulldown menus of the Apple products is the simplest most elegant user interface of any product out there with a transistor in it. Why try to fix it if it ain't broke? The HK thingy (old one, we're talkin') has a pretty nice display, very heavy duty and well engineered mounting, etc. The buttons and rotary control of the HK are very intuitive. i don't have the system fully installed in my boat, but the common complaints I've heard about the old one that I've heard are that the menus and displays are simplified from an actual ipod i.e. fewer controls. (shuffle, etc.) and that the tactile feel of the spring loaded ring is not quite as lineal, it's said to be just a little twitchy when navigating the menus as compared the the real Ipod interface with the touch ring. It looks and feels fine to me, Nattering nabobs of negativism. FOR 25$!! Screamin deal right now with the new one coming out.

OR

Choose not to reinvent the wheel. mount the ipod in a place where it is visible and accessible and won't get destroyed. The ipod interface is superior to all, in your hand. If you are gonna do it this way buy the best quality cable with a Dynex connector and get a simple slide in bracket that sticks somewhere convenient (to the driver, prolly) that plugs into an AUX input on your receiver. You can pull the ipod out of the bracket and hand it around for people to dink with your sheot. Or not. You can get really nice stick on billet aluminum "soap bar" type mounts on ebay for not too expensive

With such a setup, you can also go straight to the amps i.e no head unit though you might want to spend 60$ on a preamp or parametric EQ to help tune things. 300$ for top end stuff like Audiocontrol, cheap but high end stuff on the market for much less. Shittier manuals:) You could input a satellite receiver no problema.

If you want to do video, either buy the new HK thing or get this box from Alpine:

http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product_acc.php?model=KCE-415i

It is a high quality black box made by Alpine that attaches to your ipod (good black connector) and outputs audio and video. It is cheap as hell, like 60$ right now.


VOlumE ConTROl

With a multiamped system with tower speakers, subs on a boat it's helpful to have a remote volume control. Most sub amps have a volume control. For the boat and tower speakers, you can use the faders on a head unit. This sucks to operate underway. Some head units use pushbutttons, dedicated rotary knobs are way more awesomer. A good preamp like the Audiocontrol 3.1 gives you front, rear and sub controls between your ipod and your amps. There are much cheaper options with similar performance, given some external control hardware.....

You can also make a simple but super high quality and cheap tapered audio control for each amp, for a couple bucks. I mean like a total of under 10$ in shipped parts from Mouser to build this control for three channels:) Careful not to  set some shit on fahr with the soldering iron. I put them in 1x2 rectangular aluminum channel and I have plastic plugs that fit the ends. I get machined and anodized and filled aluminum faceplates for them. They can be totally custom, I can arrange the controls any way you want, put your team on there, whatever. That all costs bucks but it's a pass thru for me.It's like 30$ for a totally custom faceplate for the volume controls.

What I mean is just a knob for each amp. There's lots of not too intrusive ways to make a panel with 3 knobs on it. I'd hate to drill on any way on a new boat, there's no reason to have to do that.

I am going to try the HK Ipod interface right now, with my home grown audio controls for tower, boat and sub amps. I want video output soon so I may go to the new HK model, 300$ or do the 60$ alpine and 30$ HD cable and 30$ billet mount.  I recommend that you get a hard shell case for your Ipod and stay away from the clamp style stalk windshield type mounts. I broke one video ipod by trying to clamp it too hard. Even in a hard shell, clamped it, it pops out on double ups. Holster style mount is best imho, with high quality cable and hard case.






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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2008, 15:42:55 pm »
Holy long post, Batman.  I'm not sure to start...!  But I am glad to hear that you think the HK Drive+Play 1 is that good.  I think I'll probably start there. I bought a Kenwood Ipod interface cable for the head-unit off of ebay, but the cord is about 2.5' long -- worthless in a boat where the deck is mounted on the passenger side...

I've decided I am going to EXPLORE drilling just two holes for LC-1 volume controllers -- there is a detachable panel right above the throttle arm-rest where two volume control knobs would look (and I think fit) perfect.  The LC-1's would control the tower speakers and boat speakers.  The deck has sub-level controls (and I rarely adjust sub level anyway).  I think I can get installing them to the detachable panel and not have to worry about doing anything permanent, and I'll just order a new one so I have it if I decide to ditch the lc-1 idea and go to a good preamp crossover.

I'm picking up the boat TODAY!!!  Should be able to explore more tomorrow, and hopefully have some pics up by then.

GO 'HAWKS!!
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2008, 15:44:59 pm »
And Pete, I found your address.  Expect a package on your doorstep...
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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 04:52:02 am »
Pete,
Do you still have this interface on your boat?
How is it working?

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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2010, 23:13:35 pm »
Hector,
I did install the HK ipod interface. It's an old one, works with my Ipod and Iphone 3gs but won't charge the phone. I really like it. there is a newer one out, haven't tried it.

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Re: Ipod interface
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2010, 14:30:09 pm »
Good. I bought one two years ago and have never installed it.  :P

HK made a Drive/Play 2 but have since stopped making auto products.

I"ll have to install the one I have.
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