You will dig the wake from that boat. It is thick and rich where it counts from 17 to 22 MPH depending on weight. Same basic shape, it's got a cup and it's solid. I like my V drive epic wake now, not totally happy with it. It's not dialed like my E22 wake was. I would put that wake up against any boat it's length for wake size and rideability. I mean, a 2001 Nautique/superair hull does it's thing, it's just not for me. The Epic wake is rampy with a lip and it's solid. It doesn't boot you straight up like a nautique, Supra or old Xstar, it just kicks you up and across without effort. I've heard that Darin Shapiro had other boats to train behind when he was sponsored by Toyota, I can understand that. He was competing behind those boats. For a RIDER, I really like the Toyota wake, I have given at least a hundred first successful pulls with my Epic boats. That means a lot to me, it's a riders boat. Or a skiiers boat, but it is a true enthusiasts boat. No bling, just function.