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Recommended prop for power
« on: May 29, 2012, 18:33:35 pm »
I am currently using a 3 blade prop on my S22.  It runs great without ballast, but once you add any weight at all (500+lbs) it struggles to get on plane.  The boat has decent top end but I really could care less how fast it goes and care more about being able to pop people out of the water without a problem.  Any suggestions on what prop to use?  Could there be another problem that is starving the boat for power?  Any advice is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 18:51:06 pm »
Call Acme Props. I am running a 3 blade from them that has the surface space of a 4 blade and pulls 2500+ lbs of ballast. I've tried it.  #542 was the prop number. You may be scared but believe me, this is the prop this boat needs.

I had that prop on my X22 that I sold and as soon as I got my S22, I got another one.
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 19:18:34 pm »
I have an SX that i only board with and bill at acme came up with this :Acme 515 58M  13 LH 12 three blade nibral 1 1/8" bore .140 cup. he said it was a test prop had alittle more cup than the standard 515. ive been pretty happy with it. we JUST wakeboard and it doesnt like speeds over 28 or so it really sucks down the fuel tank. but it pops you up right now no problem.

542 would really get it on my SX with the 1.5 gear drive. just checked website says 542 is 1" shaft????? specs look good just need a 1 1/8" shaft
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 19:46:24 pm »
I have an SX that i only board with and bill at acme came up with this :Acme 515 58M  13 LH 12 three blade nibral 1 1/8" bore .140 cup. he said it was a test prop had alittle more cup than the standard 515. ive been pretty happy with it. we JUST wakeboard and it doesnt like speeds over 28 or so it really sucks down the fuel tank. but it pops you up right now no problem.

542 would really get it on my SX with the 1.5 gear drive. just checked website says 542 is 1" shaft????? specs look good just need a 1 1/8" shaft

Ya I think my S22 was a different part number than 542, call acme to get the right one. I will look at my boat tonight and see what number is stamped on it.
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 20:24:27 pm »
Altitude also makes a difference.  When I called ACME they recommended 449 for me (6,500 elevation) on my SX.
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 14:59:52 pm »
I had a shop look it over.  They said the prop I have is about as good as they get and that my problem is coming from somewhere else.  Anyone have any suggestions of what could cause this 300hp beast to have a lack of power?

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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 15:24:18 pm »
its a 3 blade 13x11.5 pitch

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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 15:55:16 pm »
Bad spark plugs, clogged fuel filter are the two common ones for lost power. I have to change my plugs every 1 - 2 years.
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 00:15:47 am »
Hmmm, Ive only had to change the plugs on my 99 E22 once about 4 years ago, but then again since I bought it new in Jan 00 it has less than 300 hours.  If we put 30hrs a year on it, thats pretty good.

Ive got an Acme 541 on my E22 that I LOVE.  My boat has been converted to LH rotation (backs to the right) vs the standard RH rotation (backs left), so the equivalent prop is the 540 in RH rotation.  The 542/543s are a little more aggressive for hole shot I believe, looking back I kinda wish I had tried a 543.  But, Im plenty happy with my 541, it rips you out of the water 10x better than the stock 3 blade I have.  As blindside said, its a CNC'ed 3 blade that is MASSIVE compared to the stock prop and has the surface area of a 4 blade.  Hole shot of a 4 blade + top end of a 3 blade, zero downside (for me).  Gas consumption is about the same as well, another plus.
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 02:47:26 am »
So the number for my s22 prob is 525. 3 blade 13x11.5 lh 1 1/8"
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 02:48:32 am »
I log about 50-100 hrs per year
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 03:54:35 am »
I had a prop and power problem (5150 rpm and 42 mph WOT), but now I’m getting 5750 rpm and 46 mph Wide Open Throttle.

With the prop, I hit something moving forward while in reverse (long story - as if what follows isn't) that bent the tips of the blades back and put a couple of cracks in one blade.  I shipped it to Mike Meyer in Charleston, SC (a gifted and talented former GM mechanical engineer).  He repaired it for $115 and shipped it back (~$10 each way).  Check out the site his wife and daughter tag teamed to get a better idea of what they've accomplished.  As a civil engineer, I'm impressed (although I probably shouldn't be) with a balanced, efficient prop.  I'm trying to swing an ACME 540 or 542 to use the OJ as a spare.  Sorry, I digress... :(

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With the power problem, I remember getting 5600 rpm and 45 mph WOT when I bought the Epic 22 in 2007.  I got 8 each Denso 3297 spark plugs from Advance Auto for $8 each, Mass Air Flow sensor aerosol cleaner, throttle body aerosol cleaner, aerosol brake cleaner, WD40, Sea Foam and Marine Sta-bil (everything under $200 - including gas).  I cleaned the MAF sensor, the butterfly valve in the intake plenum, the air intake screen (w/an old toothbrush and brake cleaner), lubed the throttle cable a little w/WD40 and dumped the Sea Foam and some Sta-bil in a fresh tank of Amoco unleaded premium (93 octane white gas; ~23 gallons for $80).

Wow!  What a difference!!  It’s like having a new boat.  After skiing and tubing the 4 kids from 7 to 9 AM Memorial Day, the boat seemed to be running 5800 rpm and 47 mph WOT.  I’m not sure which made the difference, but the more I run it, the cleaner it seems to be and faster (Sea Foam?).  Maybe it’s from burning ~6 gallons of fuel (~50 lbs. of weight).  And no vibrations what so ever, just flying across the water with my hair on fire!!!

I calibrated my Suburban speedometer to several interstate mile markers (1 mile in 60 seconds = 60 mph), checked the speedometer to the GPS, and the adjusted the boat speedometers to the GPS; so I think its close enough.  I had trouble getting the MAF sensor off because one of the nuts was spinning in the plastic air intake.  I finally popped it out, broke the nut loose from the bolt, worked the nut back into the plastic and heated the plastic until it melted back around the nut (I’m trying to avoid buying a new intake - no offense Captain Rick; $ is just real tight).  I put a speck of anti-seize in the nut hopefully to help it come apart a little easier next time.  I have to remember to check those bolts each time I go out to make sure they don’t fall out (w/the anti-seize).  Anyway, I hope my trial and error can save you some time and $.

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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 04:19:03 am »
Oh yeah, I pulled out the old AC Delco spark plugs that didn't really look too bad.  But, they had been there since at least 2007.  From year to year I didn't notice a big change in performance, but looking back, it should have been more obvious to me.  The Densos had about 0.039" gap out of the box, so I adjusted them to 0.044".

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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 06:28:12 am »
Not that I have any real experience on these but the guys on wakeworld are raving about the new oj 5 blade. Suppose to be wakeboard/surf specific. Killer hole shot with noticeably lower cruising rpm. So basically all the hole shot with great fuel consumption how do you beat that. Granted their all running x star's , malibus etc that are sacked out with 4000 lbs. Of ballast. Love to try one
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Re: Recommended prop for power
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2012, 05:32:34 am »
They use boats that the engine torq and rpm is much lower than our 4.0 liter v8.
We specifically use props that cause the engine to rev higher so it gets up to where the peak hp and torque is at.
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