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EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« on: June 25, 2012, 03:17:45 am »
At 1850 hrs. the left hand exhaust manifold failed, causing extensive damage to the no. 7 piston and cylinder.  There is only damage to the no. 7, heads are fine.  Are these engines resleevable??  Pressure tested both exhaust manifolds,  right hand was still dry and good, the left hand had a 1/4" hole in the no. 5 port.  A fabricator is looking at the possibility of repair-doesn't look promising.  We had another boat approaching 1500 hrs.,  so we removed the manifolds and pressure tested them.   Both had very small leaks, replaced them before any damage was done.  Never thought these could fail--always dealt with cast iron exhaust manifolds(over 4500 hrs and no failure).  Tough lesson, so every 1500 hrs. we'll replace/test the manifolds.  The weak point of a fantastic engine, but easy fix.  I expect these engines to last at least 10,000 hrs.  We have learned if you do allot of wakeboarding, tubing with allot of weight--failure could happen around 1500hrs., water skiing or faster speeds doesn't seem to effect the manifolds.  About 75% of our hours are tubing and boarding with full passenger loads.  Hopefully this post will save somebody else's engine.  We've purchased a new drive train, but still hoping to fix this engine.  Love these boats.

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 03:32:50 am »
Slightly off-topic...but how the heck do you get to rack up so many hours? Twelve years old, we're at 500. Know that's low, but looking through the boats-for-sale section shows lots of guys under 250/10yrs.

Back on topic....can you help us understand any test/inspection techniques to monitor aging?

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 03:48:12 am »
WOW!!! Are there still manifolds available?? I might have to pick up a set.....I think I am in the 500 hour range..... but still....

I have a welder and I can fabricate, it might be worth while to try and build some replacements, maybe out of stainless or something....   

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 04:06:13 am »
We run a recreational ski/boarding/tubing business.  Each boat gets about 350 hrs per year.  
To test the manifolds, remove them from the engine and exhaust tubes,  attach a garden hose to the water inlet, cover the rear air exhaust so no water can splash in- duct tape will work.  Turn water on low, water should run freely out the end of the exhaust, slowly plug the water outlet with a  rag, careful not to let water splash into the exhaust air ports(there are 4), not allot pressure is necessary.  Remove the hose and inspect the exhaust air chamber for any water.  If water exists, redo test, this time with a flashlight looking into the four exhaust chambers to find leak.  I doubt very few people will have this issue.  Love to fix this block, located a matching piston, but the sleeve is grooved at least .008 of an in. The rings actually blew through the top of the piston.  Still researching engine builders to find if this cylinder can be fixed.  

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 04:41:06 am »
Watersports - sorry to hear of your trouble.  Hope you find a good, safe and inexpensive option (other than the manual). You've given us great info here.  Please keep us posted.

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 15:24:14 pm »
Failed port side exhaust manifold here as well.  Spark plug is now frozen. 870 hours.

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2013, 11:40:16 am »
You can get new engine for the price of rebuilding. Contact Capt Rick
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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2013, 02:10:44 am »
Since the first manifold failure, we started checking them around 700 hrs since we do a lot of tubing and wakeboarding.  We've had to replace all manifolds once and now are looking to replace both on three boats.  Two sets made it to 1100 hrs and one set failed at 650 hrs.  We are currently working with a fabricator to rebuild these manifolds.  Why Toyota didn't use cast was a bad idea(have a PCM with 4700 hrs  with original cast manifolds), definitely weak point in a very strong engine.  Update on blown engine, Lexus says these engines are not resleevable, purchased a new engine.  Elgringo pm me if you want more info, good luck.

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2013, 16:13:48 pm »
I wonder if these would be a more durable option?

http://harrismarine.co.nz/bbpress/topic.php?id=106

It would require ordering it with a different angle on the peice after the riser, but it looks like that peice is seperate from the riser, so it shouldn't be much different.
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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2013, 16:16:21 pm »
When the exhaust manifold fails, does it allow water to enter the motor and cause it to hydrolock?
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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2013, 03:25:42 am »
Interesting  manifolds, what are they made of?  Wonder if they fit under the hood?  Has anybody tried them?  I'm ready to try anything.  Thanks for the link.
Not sure on the wording, but water enters cylinder and cannot compress and pushes past the rings@ cylinder wall.

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 13:58:27 pm »
Here is another location that is selling exhaust manifolds for the Lexus V-8.
http://www.cpperformance.com/p-14938-lexus-v-8-40l-replacement-exhaust-manifolds.aspx

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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 16:37:15 pm »
Maybe we can setup some kind of group buy and have them all shipped to a common location in the US or Canda. I'm considering replacing my manifolds as preventative maintenance, however I'd like to upgrade to something that will last as long as the rest of the boat.

I believe the link that I posted was for cast manifolds.

I think at one time Rick had a set of custom made aftermarket manifolds for sale... Maybe he can elaborate on them and their construction?
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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2013, 16:40:14 pm »
Here is another location that is selling exhaust manifolds for the Lexus V-8.
http://www.cpperformance.com/p-14938-lexus-v-8-40l-replacement-exhaust-manifolds.aspx

Those look pretty interesting... But $2250!

They appear to be made of stainless steel.. I wonder if their life expectency is any greater than the stock manifolds? Isn't the problem we have due to Toyota using stainless rather than cast in the first place?
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Re: EXHAUST MANIFOLD FAILURE, FYI
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2013, 01:47:42 am »
The stainless manifolds are better! The issue comes because there is no O2 sensor so the engine dumps raw fuel into the exhaust.  When the spark plugs get fouled and cause missfire the resulting missfire and unburned fuel enters the exhaust chamber and cause temperature stress cracks in the stainless manifolds. I sold take off manifolds which where installed but removed on engines, they are black.  Then there are the unpainted new manifolds never installed.
I have a pair of stainless custom manifolds but only used for performance.

If you change the spark plugs each year, I think you will get better life out of these. If you wake board you have more back pressure and increase the chance of cracking the manifold.

If you find water in the spark plugs thats the sign it is time to replace the exhaust manifolds.
1710450130 Manifold,Exhaust,SS,Starboard     738.88  $30.00   frt
1710550130 Manifold,Exhaust,SS,Port     743.73  $30.00   frt

1717350021 Gasket,ExhaustManifold   sold out buy at toyota or lexus

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