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Accuski for Dummies
« on: September 22, 2004, 16:15:57 pm »
Each year I re-learn how to use Accuski - it usually takes all summer since I'm such a slow learner.  I've had some success and the manual is aweful so I thought I would attempt a simplified manual for those who just want "cruise control."

If you aren't ready to migrate to Perfect Pass, this manual may help you use Accuski.  It's my first draft, so any feedback is appreciated.

I tried to take photo's of each screen, so the pdf file is 1.2 mb.  

You can download it at:

http://homepage.mac.com/brad.moss/FileSharing2.html

Once the manual is final, I'll send it to Pete to post on the How To page.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2004, 16:22:26 pm by brad »
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Re:Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2004, 21:13:36 pm »
Great PDF brad, I have never used Accuski, but did look at them for my boats.  Out of curiosity what made them a poor system compared to PP.

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Re:Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2004, 21:27:37 pm »
I believe the biggest frustration with Accuski is the complexity of the system.  It was designed for ski competitions and is probably pretty good for those who use it everyday.  For those of us who use it once a week and not at all in the winter months, it is not as easy as turning it on, setting the desired speed, then bringing the throttle near the speed to lock on.

The company also offers a Wakeboard Elite version that may be easier to use.  I haven't contacted the folks at Accuski to explore this option.
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Re:Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2004, 21:39:26 pm »
Yeah they have a Wakeboard version now as well, but I think I will stick with PP, it is easy to use and most people know how to use it right off the bat.  Thanks for the feedback though... :D
« Last Edit: September 22, 2004, 21:39:58 pm by Chris A »

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Re:Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2004, 04:59:26 am »
Brad, that's a GREAT addition. Nice work! I especially like the fact that you've mentioned calibrating at the speed you're most concerned with. For everybody, make sure you calibrate speedos at the speed you're most concerned with (22, maybe?) Brad, just in case you might be the only one who really knows how to use the system...how does it work? Empty, ballasted, at 18, 20 and 22?


Chris, in a nutshell....Accuski doesn't work well in speed-hold mode at wakeboard speeds, and doesn't work at all when ballasted to any degree.

1) Accuski uses pitot tubes in our boats. Pitots suck, but they're just part of the problem. We can't simply replace the pitots with paddlewheels because the Accuski controller only has one 'pulse' input, and that's dedicated to tachometer functions. The reason Accuski has to use the 'pulse' input for tach in the Epics is because our engine control computer has a non-standard way of reporting RPMs. There may be a way around this if we built a 'frequency doubler' to modify the tach signal from the ECU into a more standard version. In that case, we could ASK Accuski to reprogram our firmware to use the normal tach input and reassign the pulse input for paddlewheel input.

2) Accuski control response is insufficient for our engines and the adjustments are not available to the user. This control response function and lack of adjustment to it is the number one reason Accuski is worthless for wakeboarding in our boats. Our engines require more throttle action to hold speed (compared to a 5.7L) due to their smaller displacement.

Perfect Pass addresses the first by not needing a rpm input (Accuski doubles as the gauge driver, so if we were to pull it, we'd lose tach signals on the dash). It addresses the second by allowing the user access to control response entries.

I'm still a proponent of trying to get Accuski to work, for a few reasons, some of them good. The problem with that is we'd need help from Accuski and they're not too interested in helping a small fish, when their main business is struggling.

The quick answer is to follow Pete's excellent work and buy the system that's BEING supported by the manufacturer.

The longer answer is to convince Accuski to help us do a few things. I recon that if we built a doubler for the tach, installed paddlewheels and edited the Accuski cruise-control portion, we'd have her done. I'd like to get rid of the Auto Pull-up funtion, and all those 'skier weight, crew weight, rpm offsets, etc., and replace it with, "Select loading: 1-up to 1000 pounds, 2-1000 to 2000 pounds, 3-2000 to 3000 pounds, and 4-over 3000 pounds" Each would have different control response. In the calibration pages where we adjust speedo cal, we'd also add an entry to adjust the control response scaling (like an offset) for people with off-nominal environments (tow prop, engine mods, high altitude ops, etc.). I personally would also require the foot switch to be installed, not for pull-up, but as a safety device.

A third alternative would be to start from scratch (it looks like the two-player market might become a monopoly pretty quick, so.....) I'm very sure that a super cool, simple, cheap system could be made for most makes/models. Different life, probably ;-)
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Re:Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2004, 10:42:10 am »
Wow that?s a nutshell  :D  

I can see the issues.  It's too bad Toyota didn't address these issues right off the bat...

The market is growing rather quickly though, and educated guess is that about 80% of the some 11,000 inboard boats sold a year are wakeboard equipped now.  That is HUGE sales potential for a new speed control company.  All the technology is readily available.  It would just be, putting it in a nice package, that will push new sales.

That might make for a nice side business there gr8dna, you can sign me up for 300 units, to start   ;D

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Re:Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2004, 10:49:32 am »
Hmmm, while we are on accessory issues.  How are those Borg Warner gauges holding up.  Any problems with the pilot control system?  I wrangled up 4 sets for our first boats but have heard some bad things about them reading wrong and ground loops.  Calabria and Malibu still use Borg Warner but I can't track down a rep to save my life, as they have been sold off and split up into a lot of pieces.  :-\  

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Re:Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2004, 15:32:55 pm »
That's another nutshell.
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Re: Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2005, 02:29:34 am »
I was told by Phil Dill that my Accuski wasn't hooked up.  Would like to find out for myself.  Should I try the procedure or is it a waste on an 01 S22 and the dealer was right?  I don't have any visible servo's connected to the throttle cable @ the motor like the PPass.

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Re: Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2005, 02:42:20 am »
My '00 S22 did not have it either, although it appeared as though i had it in the dash module. You have to buy the throttle control. It;s like $500. I spent the extra $500 and got PP. If there's nothing on your throttle cable, you don;t have it.
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Re: Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2005, 21:03:58 pm »
I've been wondering the same thing about my Accuski, never actually been able to make it work for speed control, but not sure if that's because I'm an idiot or there really is no throttle connections. Dash module installed but can't see any servo motors hooked up at throttle connection on engine. Would the throttle connection be anywhere else?

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Re: Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2005, 22:44:05 pm »
The one good thing about accuski is if you have the digital gauge, standard with the Millenium dash, it only costs 400 to buy the rest of the system. If I didn't have PP, I would give it a try.
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Re: Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2005, 01:26:30 am »
Thanks Cyclone.  Who / Where would you suggest I buy the rest of the package from.  And what do I need to buy...  So decieving the Acc computer.  Looks like it should function so well.   I'm bummed by the earlier comments, but more than 50% of me is willing to try to $400
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Re: Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2005, 01:35:52 am »
The TMS parts lookup has the accuski cruise package. Search Accuski to get the part number.
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Re: Accuski for Dummies
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2005, 02:29:28 am »
Thanks lesman.  E-mailed Kurt
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