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Winterizing in SoCal
« on: October 01, 2004, 05:26:29 am »

Coulda swore there was a post here on this topic, but couldn't find it - must have been wakeworld. Winterizing here:


Change fluids sometime between fall and the first of the year.

Remove bimini - hang in garage.

Remove remaining non-wakeboarding contents of the cubbies.

Put tower hat, wetsuit/drysuit and all ballast bags and pumps in the boat.


Prepare for some really good water.

Tomorrow, w're gonna try the two Bumps along with twin Fat Buddies in the v-drive compartments (300# each), 200# lead in the bow, and another 200# lead wherever needed, for a total of 2500 pounds plus four adults. Hopefully we can get her trimmed with the lead so that the hole shot's okay and bow rise under control. Then bust ;-)
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Re:Winterizing in SoCal
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2004, 05:58:55 am »
I'll make a better post when I find my ballast spreadsheet, but....

Today we (Sean Jackson, Thane Dogg and Troy Lindstrom from wakeworld) logged 4.8 hours, during which time we burned 24.8 gallons of Chevron Super. It cost $61.00 to refill. This works out to the highest recorded GPH of 5.2, and $PH of $12.71/hr.

Why up from the normal 3.6GPH?? Lotsa ballast.

In the very forward bow we had 400# in lead. In the walkway, the 700# of Bump. Across the Bump in the bow seating area, we had a Tube Sack partially full, let's say 250#. In the trunk, 700# of Bump. In the port v-drive compartment, a nearly full bag of unknown origin, but I believe it's a regular Fat Sac (48x20), we'll call that 500#. An identical sack in the stbd compartment filled to about 400#. Totalled all up....best guess 2950 pounds. Now, the crew was small (never more than two in the boat except for once, and then we could barely get it to plane).

When we surfed, we moved the stbd v-drive bag over to the port locker, moved all the lead from the bow into the port aft seat and layed the tube sack (375#) along the whole port seats. Then, the third man sat on the port/forward side of the engine hatch. Did that for maybe a little over an hour. I can't speak to the quality of the wave, but it was fun (albeit a little scary to drive ;-)

Back to the boarding config. That's a ton of weight and it was really taking forever to get on plane. I told the guys that I was kinda embarassed and they told me that it really was doing good for the amount of weight in there. They said, "you shoulda seen us at the Canyon Lake competition last weekend - took half the lake to get up on plane." It really wasn't that bad, but you had to give it 100%, and leave your foot for what I'd guess to be 10 seconds.

Basically, they liked the wake a lot. That much weight in a SAN would've made a really serious wake, but it's a narrower, shorter hull, you know? Also, they said it was just super firm. Not huge, but really firm and VERY GOOD pop (I'll second that, FWIW).

At 80ft, we could get down to 22.5 before the whitewash started showing. That's really damn good in my book. I normally ride with the sections out of the rope (60ft?), but they made me back it out five cuz every single jump was into the flats. Now, that's pretty good for me, because I really try hard to go up, not out. The pop was just incredible, but not like a wall - really nice transition into vert. The lip on the wake was noticeable and really kicked me higher than its height would suggest.

I am really looking forward to trying the SAN fully ballasted, but for now, the S22 just shizzled my nizzle today.

Oh yeah, the lead. Troy puts together these 40-pound sacks in fabric bags with nylon handles. Had ten on board today. I know the S22 is out of trim in stock config, so I've been looking for about 200# in lead to place in the bow. Ended up buying four of the bags today. I'll tell you what (and this is no exaggeration) with 200 in the bow, the boat drives like it's supposed to. Night and day difference, even/especially with MY base config which is just the two Bumps. Not only does it bring the nose down, it dampens what I'd call pitch oscillations. This leads to better speed stability, which leads to a better pull and a more relaxed driver. I don't need the extra tongue weight, so we'll just move them back when getting ready to trailer.

A great day. Started at 62F, ended at around 80. Water's in the seventies and the sun came out early.
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Re:Winterizing in SoCal
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2004, 17:04:13 pm »
I am assuming that was at Elsinore?  I've NEVER had more than 2000lbs worth of people/stuff in my boat.  I usually just use the stock fat sack in the trunk(X22) along with 2 or 3 bodies in the boat.... mostly towards the front to get the bow down.  

How does your setup change your ability to get air/do tricks compared to a relatively stock set-up?

I am curious to know if it would be worth it to go through the hassle...

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Re:Winterizing in SoCal
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2004, 17:36:23 pm »
The difference between 1900 pounds and 2900 was significantly better in terms of pop,  and significantly worse in hole shot, gas burn, and speed instability. Not really a big difference in terms of wake size. Firmness improved and the lip became more pronounced. You asked about pop, and it really seemed like every decent edge into the wake resulted in a LOT of time to think about the impact your knees were about to absorb. Started scaring me when my knee had a littel pain in it. Mostly that was my bad, cuz I just couldn't get the distance just right to land on the transition (either long - ouch- or short- OUCH).

Only tried a couple 180s across the wake, two backrolls and a few weak grabs without tweaks. The jumps were intense, and I pretty much was just enjoying airing it out. When the toeside jump went up and then out into the flats, I was REALLY stoked. Of course, that feels good even with the 1500 pounds ;-)

So, the answer to the question is...no, unless you've got a demanding kid or friends - no need for the mondo wake. This was all with the stock prop. Drop the pitch a couple inches and maybe things would be a little different.

Put it this way, at btw 22 and 24 mph, the RPM was up around 3700. Unballasted, that number'd be like 3000 or 3100 I think. Lots of extra Rrrrrrs.


Elsinore, yes. Here's how green it is: Troy was standing on the teak with the 2K in. Water's up to the top of the ankle bone knobs - 'bout 3" deep. CAN'T SEE THE TEAK. Yuck. Good water, though, despite the white Tige power turning every fall. Can't talk too much crap though, cuz surfing in big lazy left turns does nothing good for the water.
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Re:Winterizing in SoCal
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2004, 13:36:24 pm »
Hey Derek are you hitting those back rolls? I wanted to get one by the end of summer but with a couple of weeks to go-no luck. Tried 5 the other day and the first was close. Landed on the board close to skiing away. Then the next four I landed on my head every time about ripped it off the last one. At 40 you only have so many of those wrecks in you  ;D Thank god for Advil!!! Any tips on pulling it off would be appreciated.

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Re:Winterizing in SoCal
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2004, 15:04:13 pm »
I get all the way around and land in the right position but my velocities are all wrong when I hit the water. The combo of what I've read and now felt brings a couple important things to the surface:

1) do your very best to keep both hands on the handle and tkeep the handle stationary at your hip the whole time.

2) you'll need a nice jump - not your biggest one, but big.

3) picture letting your feet/board start to float up, back and away from the boat. You're letting them float, but you're not forcing them back. When they drift back, your body will be starting to roll onto its back and the tip of the board will be going around.

You're supposed to look over your lead shoulder, but it's supposed to be for the rotation, and as long as you're keeping the handle at your CG while thinking about your feet drifting back...the rotation happens.

Not sure how common they are, but one main problem I had early was to let the handle drift up over my head - this slows the rotation and makes the body tweak. Now my problem has been sort of forcing the feet to drift back - what this does is make the rotation go flat. Lots of G's and end up hitting the water squating on the board (bad for the jewels, btw.)


The main problem with this trick for me is peer pressure. I still suck and should/need/want to work on all the the basics like ollie ones and jumping switch and get some decent grabs w/tweaks before landing the roll. But that stuff's boring for your family/crew to watch and they hear the backroll calling them. So, I huck that sucker, everybody gets stoked and I get off track from the stuff that really counts.

I'm assuming you've checked out on-line trick tips, clips, etc. Last chance (which I haven't tried yet) is if you really want the trick and you run into the same problem repeatedly, take a small clip of it, post it on wakepics and then ask for a help on wakeworld. Somebody will surely spot the ONE little thing you're doing wrong.
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Re:Winterizing in SoCal
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2004, 01:13:28 am »
See Derek, toldjhaso!  I did the same -- was running with somewhere in the ballpark of 2400 or so on Saturday.  Was my first time trailering the boat from my new digs in Eastern Washington.  I'm officially a trailer-boater now...it's an entirely different world, let me tell you. My folks house on the water (and them letting me install a lift on the dock) has me spoiled.

Anyway, we wakeboarded on a river that was no more than 150' wide and 10' deep (we were on the Yakima River, for you Northwesterners).  It was awesome.  If the boat wasn't perfectly centered, we could get all the way to the bank (we were careful not to fall).  The river was so narrow we had to stop the boat to turn around (could powerslide the turns when we took the weight out).

Anyway, imagine how calm that river must have been. We took a few pictures, I'll try and post.  The wake was big.  Reminded me that the boat rocks.

Oh, and I've also gotta post pics of my boat in the garage in the new house.  It is a tighter fit than you could ever imagine...it's even tighter than Derek's setup.
Oh, and I pulled a rookie move this weekend and put the tongue of my trailer THROUGH my rear bumper.  Ouch.

Sorry for rambling but I haven't posted for a while, and I know you all miss me!!!  ;)
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Re:Winterizing in SoCal
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2004, 03:35:24 am »
Yes Cal, it's been a little slow and serious around here without you. Glad to hear you're still kickin. Nice one with the bumper - I've got to repaint/replace the Sequoia's from an oops at Havasu last time (sober, too.)
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