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biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« on: July 19, 2005, 18:57:29 pm »
So on our other-thread-mentioned recent trip to Lake Powell,? we were boarding behind the S22 and I felt like I was flying.? I hadn't seen a wake quite that big behind my S22 since I could remember, even with the fatties filled.? I didn't think much of it, I had some gas cans filled up in the aft storage locker and a lot of gear on board.? ?The bilge ran a little, which it doesn't usually do, but with kids in and out, swimming etc, no big deal.   Until...
So I am meticulously cleaning the boat today, sitting on the trailer in my driveway.? Rubbing melted gummy bears off, scraping beef jerkey from the vinyl, etc. and I noticed my tracking fin was MISSING from the under belly.? I crawled under there, and sure enough, completely gone.? There was, however, four holes and a bunch of adhesive stuck on the bottom.? So now the big wake made more sense.? Slow hull leak=mega ballast.? I'm really in no hurry to fix the problem, the wake was THAT good!?
Eventually I'll get her plugged up, so does anyone have the part number for a new tracking fin?? I'd really appreciate it.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2005, 19:54:24 pm by festivus »
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 19:55:49 pm »
With many thanks to an unnamed source...We now have the parts list with numbers - no prices...

Fin,BoatTracking,Bronze   MSP0010189

I'll be posting the complete list on the site very soon...

I never have had a tracking fin on my s-22. I'd be courious what it costs and how hard it is to put on. PM me the price you get.

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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2005, 20:26:18 pm »
Give me a little time to get some notes together. When I installed mine, I followed the official procedure and then proceeded to buy easy-outs, etc. I've needed to mod the procedure since before I even gave it to Pete for posting, but nobody's done one yet (now you're talking two).
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005, 20:34:40 pm »
I don't mean to sound like an imbicile, but who do I call to give the part # to to order it?
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2005, 22:24:59 pm »
I am glad you asked that question. I was wondering the same thing!
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2005, 22:55:38 pm »
You just need to call a TMS dealer (or just use Atlanta Marine) and give them your Visa card and that part number. The S22 skeg is very reasonable, something like $35 or $50 or something. It'd be cool to have one of them triple-skeggers under us, but I remember a distinct difference in tracking after installing mine. Oh, btw, it made handling near the dock and launch ramp much more difficult cuz I couldn't just whip the bow around any more.

Les, make sure you let Pete drive that sahweeeeet S22 after you get a skeg on her.
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2005, 00:28:52 am »
This is from a doc I'm emailing to Festivus and Pete for the How-To page. Not a real procedure, but captures my lessons learned.

Supplement to Technical Service Bulletin 49
S22 Tracking Fin Installation


One of the first modifications I made to the boat was to add the tracking fin. This provided a noticeable improvement in towing manners, but at the same time made slow-speed maneuvering more difficult. The bow doesn?t slide like it used to when whipping it around to a dock.

The published procedure directs the technician to empty and remove the fuel tank. I presume this is to prevent the chance of driving a drill bit through the hull, liner and into the fuel tank. The results of that could be damage to your tank and EXPLOSION and fire, so it?s not to be taken lightly. However, be advised that removing the tank seriously adds to the amount of work (not a little, a lot). If you have a drill stop and are very confident in your patience, you might consider doing this procedure without removing the tank. I did remove the tank, but there were other reasons for me to do that.

There is an outstanding TSB that describes pulling the fuel tank and laying down some foam rubber tape in between the liner and fuel tank. EpicMarine doesn?t have a copy of that, but the dealers do (that was one I just didn?t copy and shouldn?t have). I believe that the foam is intended to prevent chafing between liner and nylon fuel tank. It could also be there to prevent the tank from riding squarely on the control cables running aft. After pulling the tank, I used adhesive-backed foam tape fairly closely spaced together to support the tank. I ensured there were channels for bilge water to run fore and aft without being impeded by the foam tape.

My S22 came without a drain installed in the ice chest under the observer seat. There was a recessed area in the mold (forward, inboard corner), but no hole. It?s impossible to get underneath that drain area without having the tank removed. So?once the tank was out, I trimmed back the aluminum floorboard underneath the ice chest drain and then installed a modified through-hull fitting into the ice chest. The modification was to move the stream of water outward so that it doesn?t drain directly onto the fuel tank; instead, it drains between the liner/stringer area and the fuel tank, directly down into the bilge.



The big problem I found with the procedure (besides getting the fuel tank empty) was that my hull has aluminum reinforcement in the hull area by the tracking fin. The procedure calls for ?? (#14) stainless steel sheet metal screws, and they can?t be driven into aluminum when predrilled. No, really. They will break off and die. Then you?ll be getting an easy out and trying to drill a hole into a broke off stainless screw. Really.

The big deal here is to pay attention to the tailings that come out of your first hole and onto your eye protecting devices. If there isn?t any aluminum in the tailings, you can proceed as directed. You may find that the #14 screws seem very small for the skeg mounting holes. Seem to remember thinking that we could definitely go for a larger size screw. PLEASE pay attention to the recommended pilot hole drill bit size before drilling ? would be very bad to drill too large a hole for the screw. Also, I believe I used a little more sealant than they show in the procedure. Pretty much covered the mating surfaces, squirted some into the screw holes and then covered the threads of the screws and spun them home.

If there?s aluminum mixed in with the fiberglass, I suggest switching immediately to a 5/16? stainless machine screw like I ended up with. The deal with these babies is that you?ll need to tap the imbedded aluminum plate, as they really have no purchase in fiberglass. The good news is that you?re getting metal to metal contact and you can use a nice beefy screw that fills the skeg mounting screw holes.

Get your skeg properly aligned and then mark one hole. Remove the skeg. From the tap and die set, punch the pilot hole NOT TO EXCEED 1 ?? depth. Carefully cut threads into the embedded aluminum reinforcement. A blunt tap will help prevent you get the threads cut without poking up into the liner.

Once the hole?s been drilled and tapped, temporarily mount the skeg using the single machine screw. Take your time in aligning it to centerline and then mark the remaining three holes. Remove the skeg and drill and tap the three. Test fit by mounting the skeg with all four screws prior to applying sealant.


I?m not sure how thick the aluminum sheet is in my boat, and I?m not sure how many boats have that reinforcement, so start with the approved procedure but pay attention for aluminum in the tailings. You might consider using a larger sheet metal screw (like take the skeg with you to the hardware store to find one that fills the countersunk area. Make sure you don?t exceed the depth limitation.



Any questions, please email derek.boyer@netzero.net or visit www.epicmarine.com


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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2005, 00:35:24 am »
Here are the screw types:
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2005, 16:18:54 pm »
lesman, I called AM today, it is like $53.80 plus shipping.  I am a little intimidated about the whole fuel tank removal step in the installation.  How in the heck do you get all of the gas out?   
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2005, 16:31:01 pm »
so i found out thismorning that you can do a killer powerslide without that tracking fin.  Sort of a different feel to the turns.  ANyone do any ski skiing/air chair action? 
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2005, 04:37:52 am »
Run it close to dry then siphon it out into a can on the ground while it's on the trailer.

Don't be a pussy. Get you a tracking fin.
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2005, 16:16:06 pm »
I don't think I've ever had my tank less than 1/2 full.  I was talking to Castle Rock Marine the other day about the tracking fin and he was surprised that they don't bolt on.  He said most of the time they use a really heavy duty bolts to ensure stability.
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2005, 16:34:11 pm »
fyi- I ordered the tracking fin today.  It was 69.50 with ground shipping.  I want to install it before the end of the month, so there may be a few calls out for direction.  thanks already
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2005, 16:58:51 pm »
Derek, I am assuming a TSB is a Toyota Service Bulletin?  Where can I find the one about removing the fuel tank?  I didn't  see it in the how to section of the web page here. 
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Re: biggest ballast ever on an S22- help!
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2005, 19:57:01 pm »
Removing the tank is included in the 'S22 Tracking Fin Installation' procedure. I think TSB means Technical Service Bulletin.
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