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The V-drive Epics are out of trim...
« on: August 18, 2003, 19:29:55 pm »
Here's the skinny after a beautiful week at lake Havasu:

The v-drive Epics are tail heavy. That is to say, they're rigged out of trim in an overly nose-up attitude.

The EVIDENCE is 1) swim steps aren't normally awash at rest, 2) nose-up and -down oscillations at various speeds identical to over-trimming an outdrive.

The IMPACT is 1) said oscillations, 2) high planing speed, 3) the hull does not handle chop and rollers as well as it could.

The FIX is to 1) put extra weight in the nose or 2) install trim tabs (either fixed, adjustable or electrically actuated.)

On one trip down to the south end of the lake, when the traffic and rollers were insignificant and the surface smooth, I spent some time observing the difference between sitting in the aft seat, abeam the helm and then in the bow. The oscillations were clearly evident except when sitting all the way forward. I'm only 150 lbs, but my moment was enough to squelch the bounce. That trip made it perfectly clear that the situation is exactly the same as an over-trimmed IO except that we don't suffer from the typical loss of traction an IO's prop will undergo when over-trimmed. If a boat is in calm water at a steady speed and still bounces, it's out of trim.

Seems the very coolest way to kill a few birds is to put a good set of trim tabs along the transom, with electric trim, adjustable from the helm. The easy way to accomplish this would be to use the readily-available rigs out there like they install on the offshore boats. The cooler way would be to rig it like the old v-drive, flatbottom hotboats used to do - from chine to chine.

By making the 'flap' extend across the entire width of the running surface, we'd get better bite for a given deflection which equates to using smaller deflections. This approach would also reduce the risk of screwing up the wake by introducing additional corners back there. However, the speedo pickup is in the way and the exhaust extends down low. Don't have a great workaround for those wrinkles yet.

I'm also hoping that having the trim adjustable from the bow will give a little control when transitioning from slalom to kneeboard speed and from rough water to glass. Imagine that - a towboat with some pitch control (in a more efficient way then TAPS or other stuff dangling only in the propwash.)

The good news is that the out-of-trim is in the right direction: if it were overly nose-down, trim tabs wouldn't help and we'd be stuck with using ballast.

As far as the swim platform goes, I love it wet. Our buddy's new Centurion is about six inches above the water and the little ones need a friggin ladder to get up there.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2003, 20:59:56 pm by gr8dna »
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Re:The V-drive Epics are out of trim...
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2003, 12:28:43 pm »
Weight, weight, weight.  Remember your on a wakeboard boat.  We keep 100 lbs of sand up front all the time.  And 250lbs of lead in the back.  And thats before we weight the boat.  Everyone we get to put weight up front is happier.  Some friends just put 400lbs of sand in their MariStar up front and couldn't be happier.

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Re:The V-drive Epics are out of trim...
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2003, 15:59:01 pm »
Alas, the Toyota freak has other concerns - we tow with a Sequoia, not a big Checvy dually. Tongue weight is already forcing us to get air bags for the coil springs and to drive the iForce pretty hard.

Weight is a good easy fix, but I don't want it to be permanent weight. We'll see how things go with the fat sacs and then maybe spend some more time with the trim tabs.
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Re:The V-drive Epics are out of trim...
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2003, 02:43:57 am »
Let me know if you try trim tabs on your vdrive.  Is there a safety issue with he bat out of trim?  Is the factory responsible for any fix?

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Re:The V-drive Epics are out of trim...
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2003, 22:42:22 pm »
Of course the factory is responsible; they miscalculated weights/moments/buoyancy.  However, is the boat safe, does it handle well, does it perform as advertised?  Yes to all of these things.  The only way I personally would ever try to get them to fix this is if the boat flipped, chine-locked or in some other way caused an incident.  Even in that case, questions would be raised about a non-professional (me) installing the tracking fin and changing props to an aftermarket one.

The thing has only hinted at getting unstable when we're at top speed and running over rollers lengthwise (at low angles), and any boat will get a little weird at that point.

Even in the case of an accident or injury, you'd have a hard time getting the factory to take action over such a relatively insignificant 'defect'.
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Re:The V-drive Epics are out of trim...
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2003, 23:40:36 pm »
Every V drive I have driven drives as you describe, Derek! I think it is the nature of the beast. That is one reason I prefer D drives.
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Re:The V-drive Epics are out of trim...
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2003, 18:15:16 pm »
I have a 1999 Epic 22 d-drive and there is definately a three position switch: on-off-auto.  As Pete (Cyclone) describes, our switch was wired backwards.  It was an easy swap at the switch terminals behind the dash.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2003, 18:17:14 pm by re-pete »
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