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New grom & close call (!!!)
« on: September 06, 2003, 18:34:07 pm »
Brandon's being motivated by his dad to learn to slalom because dad said that he won't buy a wakeboard until that happens (dad's buying some time and making sure the boy's got some skills.) He turns six in November, and we've pulled him for two short sessions in Havasu, a decent one at Elsinore and last night a couple short ones at Perris. Never touched doubles, went straight for the single.

Here's a pic from Elsinore (got up and rode for maybe 10 seconds a few times.)
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2003, 18:35:47 pm »
Here's last night at Perris. Skied for real this time; several minutes. Even went outside the wake a couple times (accident, I think ;-)
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2003, 18:36:53 pm »
Of course, then we had to deal with the friggin slalom attitude:
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2003, 18:47:20 pm »
But I got 'em back (JUST KIDDING). I had a problem getting up on the wakeboard and obviously held on too long.

The entire rope flew up into the boat. The handle hit the winshield frame and bounced back and smacked Brandon's foot.

Had this handle hit someone on the way in, we'd still be in intensive care this morning.

I now know I've got to let go at the first sign of trouble, but also wonder if a rope upgrade might help. I'm using a Straight Line slalom rope/handle. New, but old-school. Seems like a zero-stretch rope might not store as much energy and therefore, not snap back like the nylon ones.

On a lighter note, I've now got one trick in my book: toeside, frontside 180 wake transfer. Anything toeside feels funky to me, and this was no different. Wanted to half-cab on the way back across but 1) switch , and 2) toeside were too much. Biggest problem is just can't get enough time behind the boat.
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2003, 01:17:05 am »
Why the hang up on skiing.  I grew up in Boulder and skied my whole life.  6 years ago I took the family snowboarding.  It changed my life.  Looking to keep things going we bought a wakeboard boat.  The shirts here in Atlanta are correct:  Wakeboarding; it's like skiing except it doesn't suck.  I know I being harsh but it really is true.  
On the rope; we know a kid whose summer was cut short by using a non wakeboard rope.  They are a little pricey but very important.

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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2003, 13:58:40 pm »
Use a wakeboard rope, made of Spectra. Big Difference!

I gave up trying to teach the kids to ski, wakeboarding is so much easier and so much more fun! You don't have to kill yourself at 25+ MPH!!
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2003, 16:26:43 pm »
I always thought the zero-stretch ropes came out because we rely on handle movement to spin, and low stretch means a more responsive handle. Performance is one thing, but safety is another. We'll find a good rope.

As far as slalom versus wakeboarding, you guys are roight. I've skied a couple times behind our Epic and it's really just no fun anymore for me. Boarding is much less powerful and fast, and even on the slopes I feel there's a place for skiing. I think the comparison between skiing and boarding on the slopes and water is unfair: there's an even bigger difference in the water (unless you're also into speed skiing, trick skiis and jumping, which I never touched). With a pair of Rossis on the slope, you can do a lot of jumps (with tweaks), it's generally lower impact than boarding and of course there's nothing like a bump run.

In the water though, the only thing that drives a slalom skier is pulling harder, working on form and maybe crafting huge curtains of spray. It's old-school and there really is something to respect about that. However, skiing takes so much energy from my body that one or two decent runs is all I'm good for. On a wakeboard, I can go until some part of my body is just too sore from crashing (at havasu it was ribs from trying and bailing on too many 360s.)

Boarding is what I think about when I'm sitting in traffic. This is surprising, because three short months ago, I thought the tower on our Epic would be cool for Brandon and our boarding friends, but as for my personal desires, it didn't matter to me. That's changed (quickly).

Brandon's getting a setup in a couple short weeks and when he does, the slalom is going back to where it came from.

The good thing is that now I know that he's serious, that he's old enough to be at home behind the boat, that he can handle the rope and that he doesn't give up easily.

Passed. On to the fun stuff :-)
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2003, 03:48:51 am »
Slalom skiing is great if you are skiing a slalom course.  Slalom courses are a rush.  Wakeboarding is great but  the falls are brutal.  Far more painful and dangerous then skiing.  I fractured my cheek bone last summer while boarding.

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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2003, 00:16:55 am »
Got the rope/handle finally, and love it.

More importantly, this weekend Brandon got to try his new Micro Squirt... Amazing what kids can do; got up and stayed up first try. Started with tricks right away. At first it was just like taking a hand off the handle, but soon he was trying to ollie, and going over the wake. Next thing we know, he's jumping. Actually even tried (and came close) to a one wake 180. Did make the surface 180 (probably on accident, but it looked awesome.) He landed a few jumps in the 1-2 foot range, and almost landed one where his board was 3 feet up. Took a nice header yesterday and he cried - for a while there we forgot he's still five ;-)

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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2003, 00:19:33 am »
Buena Vista Aquatic Recreation Area (aka. Buenavista) just south of Bakersfield, CA. Monday we had the lake to ourselves for more than an hour, and most of the day there weren't more than four boats on the lake.
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2003, 00:22:57 am »
Oh yeah, we had a pair of v-drive sacks in the boat. Small bags (fat buddies). First day we had one in the trunk and another in the walkway. Next day we put them both next to the engine where they belong. Nicely peaky and not enough weight to really screw with bow rise.
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2003, 00:24:58 am »
Even with the kid's speed suction bindings we had to bring him up onto the step when he'd come out. On the same note, it took him a while before he could roll over onto his back.
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2003, 07:02:32 am »
That's so cool! I love seeing little kids get on a board and ride. That wake is huge, what are you trying to do to him?
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Re:New grom & close call (!!!)
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2003, 22:08:39 pm »
We were just talking today (busta-Brandon and I) about ballast. I was saying that when I (eventually) get the v-drive sacks in an auto- or semi-auto setup, I'd just dump the rear sacks when he's getting ready - the big bag up front would stay full, but wouldn't make the wake very tall by itself.

Anyway, he started getting pissed, like it's not fair that we empty even part of the ballast when he's up. He says he wants it. It makes sense to me that he'd learn tricks quicker with a smaller wake, but on the other hand, at this age they could probably learn to juggle plates while deep in the barrel at Pipeline.

Also, that wake isn't huge, he's just small - maybe four feet tall and 50 pounds soaking wet. I agree it's huge for him, but he showed no fear and kept going for it (landing some of them, too.)

I think we're gonna just buy the sacks I mentioned and fill them manually for a while (wife's kinda averse to boat spending right now.) If so, he'll get the first run of the day empty, and then end up learning to jump with the full 1500 pounds in. We'll see how it goes, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's able to handle it ;-)
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